
I think it’s necessary to start this essay by stating, for the record, that this article does not intend to criticize any person whom, after doing his own research, has decided that the raw food diet is right for him. This piece of writing is about why I decided that the raw food diet was not right for me. This is not an attack on any person’s beliefs or lifestyle. It is my aim to offer a look at my conclusions after spending about 6 months researching and seriously considering the raw food diet. My experience has been that the majority of information available on the Internet regarding raw foodism is slanted toward the pros of raw foods, and I believe that, by providing what I found to be the cons of raw foods thought, there will be a better balance of information available to the seeker of opinion and information about this diet. I hope that others who may be considering a raw food only diet will find this article useful and worthy of thought.
About Me and Why I Was Considering A Raw Food Diet
I am an organic farmer and I have been a vegan for about 20 years. I did not make this decision because of the many promises of perfect health that are often touted as the benefits of a vegan diet – rather, I created a new way of eating for myself for solely ethical reasons. It’s a good thing I didn’t get into this way of eating for the health of it; despite spending two decades eating only organic, home cooked, whole foods vegan meals, I am one of the least healthy people I know.
Environmental pollution and mystery aggressors have left me with a legacy of inflammatory diseases, the most devastating of which has been Crohn’s Disease. Doctors consider my diet exemplary and my poor health a baffling mystery. My own conclusion is that a combination of genetics and environmental factors tend to dictate a person’s health profile. We all know elders who eat bacon and eggs for breakfast every morning and are doing fantastically at the age of 85. And, as so-called ‘alternative’ diets have been practiced for many generations now, we are all also likely starting to realize that some of our most good-food-conscious friends may also be our sickest. I have communicated with countless people (predominantly women) who have tried every elimination diet, tried being vegan, gluten-free, raw…you name it, and they continue to suffer from a host of serious environmental illnesses. I also know vegetarians who are incredibly healthy, fit and thriving. My conclusion is that any diet, however exemplary it may seem, is no guarantee of good health.
As I’ve said, I decided to adopt a vegan diet for ethical reasons and have never regretted it, but when I was diagnosed with Crohn’s Disease 2 years ago (after suffering years of unexplained abdominal pain) I began to question my diet. Was there something more I could be doing? Somehow, I came upon the mention of the raw foods diet in connection with Crohn’s Disease and the related condition, Ulcerative Colitis, and this led me buy a book called Self Healing Crohn’s and Colitis by David Klein. When you’re desperately ill, you are desperate, but as I read this book and supplemented this with hours of Internet research, my healthy powers of critical thought seemed to kick in for me, and while I’d love there to be a diet that would cure Crohn’s Disease or other conditions, I had to conclude that this isn’t it. It’s time to share my reasoning about this.
The Absence Of Data
Within reading the first few chapters of Self Healing Crohn’s and Colitis by David Klein, I began to feel a growing concern over the fact that opinions appeared to be being presented as facts, with no scientific or other research data to back them up. I found this same concerning situation on many of the raw foods websites I visited during my research.
Some books are presented from an opinion standpoint. For example, an author might write, “I believe I feel healthier when I spend at least half an hour in the sunshine every day.” That’s an expression of opinion and belief. This is very different than saying, “The Earth is a sphere and here are the photos taken from space to prove this.” That’s a statement of fact, backed up with fact.
My take on the majority of information presented in David Klein’s book and on the majority of the raw foodism sites I visited was that opinion was being presented as fact without any type of concrete proof. While I consider science to be highly fallible at times, I do depend on research and sound reasoning to verify statements and absence of this in an arena where claims of healing and health are being made is something which concerns me deeply.
I encountered repeat claims that human beings were designed to live on fruit, that fruit contains the same proportions of nutrients as human milk, that cooking foods makes them deadly…many claims, but scant citations or research or proof. Several of the arguments in favor or raw foods deserve, I believe, especially critical assessment.
Man’s Natural Diet
I was puzzled to discover what I considered to be a truly faulty premise upon which the whole raw foods belief system appears to be based. There appears to be a romanticized, vague and golden image of a golden age of early man in which humans ate their perfect natural diet…the inference from this being that they enjoyed perfect health because of this.
It is my understanding that anatomically modern humans first appear in the fossil record in Africa about 195,000 years ago. Researchers quote the life span of early man as being something between 20-40 years…hardly a peak example of human longevity. Granted, a potentially dangerous environment and lack of modern medicines to fight disease doubtless contributed to early man’s relatively short life expectancy…but according to what I read in Self Healing Crohn’s and Colitis, disease is a myth.
David Klein appears to claim that the symptoms of disease are simply our body trying to heal itself from our assault on it in the form of cooked food or medicines. While I can see the logic and truth in the assertion that fevers, inflammations and the like are the biproducts of our body’s efforts to heal from disease, the whole fantasy of natural man eating some ideal diet falls apart when you ask yourself why early natural man, supposedly eating his perfect diet of raw fruit, was dying of diseases by the age of 40. It just doesn’t make sense.
All studies I have ever seen indicate that pre-fire, pre-tool human-type primates would have been omnivores, eating whatever they could manage to get their hands on be that fruits, vegetables, seeds, nuts, rodents, bugs…literally, whatever they could find and stomach. And, while human-type primates certainly ate raw food before finding fire, I could not find any credible references indicating that early man was a fruitarian – something frequently cited as some shining ideal of perfection raw foodists can strive to someday attain. Again, lack of citations and support in published works were very concerning to me.
Who is Natural Man?
Many primates use tools to access foods. Several different species of birds do the same – finding perfectly shaped sticks that they can poke into holes in order to retrieve grubs beyond the reach of their beaks. Porpoises carry sea sponges with them to assist them in foraging for meals. Does the use of tools mean that these creatures are eating in a manner unnatural to them, or do these skills and tools form a distinct characteristic that sets their species apart from others in a remarkable manner?
And what about man? Homo Erectus used both tools and fire and this species of human-type being predates our own species, Homo Sapiens, by about a million and a half years! How unnatural can something be to human creatures if beings of our relative kind have been doing it for something like two million years?
A central premise of raw foodism is that cooked foods are toxic and unnatural to us, but I found I could not follow this line of thinking when I considered that, in order to return to some previous mode of eating, we would have to go back beyond the origins of our own species – homo sapiens – in order to find models of ancient primates eating raw foods. I would assert that the use of tools, including fire, has been a characteristic of our people for as long as our people have existed, and that striving to abandon this history would involve ‘aping’ another type of creature.
It is also worth pointing out that while all raw foodists eschew the use of fire for processing food, a considerable industry is being developed to supply raw foodists with blenders, food processors and fancy vegetables slicers in order to aid them in making their meals palatable. These tools were, of course, wholly unknown to early man and yet again, the golden Eden-like ideal of perfect natural man seems to fall apart in the face of a diet which condemns the ancient use of fire while promoting the purchase of the latest in Cuisinart contraptions.
Environment and Survival
Polar bears have dense fur for living in icy climes and snails have built-in shelters wherever they go. Man has neither and just as man’s ability to occupy certain parts of the globe is dependent upon the acquisition of clothing and shelter – our ability to inhabit diverse regions of the planet has been historically dependent on our ability to make the most of the food supply we discovered or farmed there.
Whether you see major civilizations as a blessing or a curse to the Earth, there is no denying that every time man secured a food supply (particularly cultivated grain) population jumped and the mode of living we call civilization appeared. Our ability to make foods digestible by shelling them, pounding them, grinding them and cooking them is a unique skill that has been totally critical to the survival of our species. Even in the arid deserts of the Southwestern United States, Native Peoples (some of them, my ancestors) have been able to thrive for countless ages because of their ability to channel irrigation, dry farm, grind corn into meal and boil beans into a digestible state. This is the factual history of our inquisitive, imaginative species.
There are two issues I encountered frequently in my research of the raw food diet that I found troubling because of their apparent lack of wisdom in regards to both our historic experience as a species and our planet’s overwhelming need for the discovery of Earth-friendly living practices.
I encountered repeat mention of raw foodists experiencing physical coldness…sometimes a physical drop in body temperature. One story of a man attempting to live on raw fruit in Scandinavia and feeling freezing all of the time was especially poignant to me. If you study the historic cuisines of the coldest parts of the world, you will quickly begin to see that most cold climate peoples eat a great deal of fat in order to survive chilly weather. There are tribes in the northernmost parts of the American continents who eat tremendous quantities of pure animal fats and they have been eating this way for time beyond recall.
I would have to say that it seems like man has a good instinct inside to turn towards fat when he is cold. If we all lived in the tropics, perhaps this instinct would never assert itself, but only some of the people on the planet live in consistently warm climes where a diet of raw fruits and vegetables might not produce uncomfortable coldness. So, this was the first of the two things that troubled me about the realities of a planet where people live everywhere and need to eat foods that promote a vital body temperature.
Raw foodism does not necessarily mean a no-fat diet. It’s important to be clear about this. But what it does seem to advocate strongly is the acquisition of fats from fruits that are not available locally in most places. This is the second of my concerns. There is heavy promotion of coconuts and avocados in raw foods recipes, and unless you live in Thailand, Ecuador or some such place, the only way to subsist heavily on fatty tropical fruits is to have them flown to you, at great expense and at considerable cost to the environment. I found this to be a striking contradiction in a diet that is often styled as being ideally eco-friendly. Long distance shipping, when founded on fossil fuels, is not environmentally healthy and I began to feel that a person would need to move to South America to eat a raw local diet with adequate nutrients. Such a move would not be reasonable for most people.
I would assert that it goes against the laws of nature and the history of our species to adopt a diet which fails to maintain appropriate body temperatures in non-tropical climates and which may be largely dependent on having foods shipped in from afar. The Big Ag infrastructure could crumble at any time, and a raw foodist living in Norway might well find themselves in a life-or-death situation attempting to subsist on radishes and dill in the middle of a long winter. Try getting fresh local raw fruits and vegetables in New Jersey in January. Without Big Ag and international trade, you are out of luck, and a diet founded on the trade policies of multinational juggernauts may not be in alignment with a wish to live in peace with the world’s poor, upon reflection.
Our genius as a species, for good or ill, has been in our ability to adapt to nearly all environments and find the means of sustenance wherever we have gone. Homo Sapiens has survived for at least 200,000 years in this manner. I’m not sure it’s wise to make a big change in plans now.
Modern Food
South and Central America are the world’s food basket. In sum, the cuisines of numerous cultures are founded on the foods that were first cultivated in places like Peru and Mexico. Corn, Beans, Squash, Tomatoes, Potatoes, and countless other crops have become staples the world over, but they got their start in Indigenous hands on the American continents. Native Peoples took wild foods and cultivated them into new forms and this has been going on for millennia. I mention this here because it is very important to understand that the modern fruits and vegetables most people in the western world consume are wholly different than those which covered the earth when pre-tool, pre-fire man had his day.
I’m bringing this up because I feel it’s necessary to point out that modern raw foodists are not eating the raw fruits and vegetables of early human-type primates. Pre-homo-erectus cultures never ate a Fuji apple or a Nantes carrot or an ear of Silver Queen sweet corn. I believe it’s important to think about the reality that shooting for a pre-homo-erectus, pre-fire diet will ultimately be impossible, simply because evolution and agriculture have utterly changed the green face of the planet. So, again, I found myself encountering unattainable and romanticized ideals at the heart of the raw food diet. I needed to dig a little deeper.
Natural Hygiene – What is it?
After reading the first handful of pages of David Klein’s book about healing Crohn’s Disease, I began to ask myself who in the world T.C. Fry was. Quotes from this man make up a large portion of Klein’s book, and he is widely cited in the raw foods movement, but I’d never heard of him before. I also began wondering why David Klein’s name was appended with the title of Dr. The answer to both my questions lay in the topic of a set of beliefs called Natural Hygiene.
Natural Hygiene is believed to have been invented in the 1830s by graham cracker-inventor, Rev. Sylvester Graham. He gained a small following of people who were dubbed ‘grahamites’ and who, it seems, agreed with his advocacy of fasting, raw foods, no meat, some dairy and temperance. While many modern people might find Rev. Graham’s efforts to fight alcoholism admirable, fewer would be likely to agree with his extremist stances regarding vegetarianism as a means of controlling human sexuality. Natural Hygiene gradually fell out of favor when Rev. Graham died at the young age of 57, despite having promoted himself as a role model of good health.
About a hundred years later, Herbert M. Shelton resurrected the concept of Natural Hygiene and began publishing a magazine which ran for 40 years and in which Shelton propounded his theories of combining of raw foods for an ideal diet. T.C. Fry, another publisher of Natural Hygiene literature, began to be well-known in the 1970′s, and some attribute to him the popularity of raw foodism today.
I wanted to understand why David Klein (who is called Dr. because he is a Hygiene Doctor) found T.C. Fry to be so important that much of his book on healing Crohn’s Disease is devoted to the teachings of Fry. The more I read about T.C. Fry’s life, the more puzzled I became. Fry advocated a purely raw diet and earned his living by promoting himself and this diet as the ideal of perfect health. The truth is rather more complicated than this, and I found this article containing a series of interviews with people who knew T.C. Fry to be both alarming and illuminating. I can easily feel pity and sympathy for a fellow human who is so caught up in the search for health that he is binging and fasting, propounding the ‘truth’ of the Natural Hygiene raw diet one minute, and hiding in a closet eating junk food the next. He is only a human being. But, what is not honorable, in my opinion, was that Fry billed himself as a strict adherent to raw foods, when he wasn’t, and that, when his health began to fail, he hid this from the public and continued to advocate this diet as the cure for all ills.
T.C. Fry died in 1996 at the rather young age of 69 of a blood clot caused by a pulmonary embolism. He was overweight, had a heart condition and very bad teeth. He was not in good health when he died, and when his followers discovered this, many were disillusioned. Further disillusionment came when his followers learned that he had gone to South America for medical treatments for his health problems, despite the fact that proponents of Natural Hygiene insist that disease is a myth and that all sicknesses go away if the person rests and eats raw foods. I don’t delight in speaking poorly of a man who is deceased, but the bottom line of my research on T.C. Fry’s life and work as a nutrition reformer was that he seemed untrustworthy.
And, having established that conclusion, I’m afraid that David Klein’s whole book, as well as any raw foodism literature I encountered on the web citing T.C. Fry, began to take on a very untrustworthy aura. I don’t understand the appeal of founding a set of personal beliefs on the credos of individuals who are pulling the wool over the eyes of sincere and sick people who are looking for help. Advocating a diet as the secret to health while you are secretly seeking medical treatments and getting sicker every day is dishonest and a tremendous disservice to your fellow man. Frankly, I think it’s a shame that people would continue to cite T.C. Fry as a font of wisdom or an exemplar of living a good life.
After careful thought, I had to conclude that Natural Hygiene was founded by a somewhat peculiar man and then championed by a man whose ethics are what I would consider crooked. I began to feel clearer in my mind, at this point, that these were not leaders I wished to follow.
Fundamentalism and Dogma
I’m a believer in faith. I have the greatest respect for individuals who inquire into matters of faith and follow their hearts when they find something that truly makes sense to them. To me, the glory of all religions, spiritual devotions and lifeways is in the questions. Someone who seeks knowledge is genuine. Fundamentalism, however, applied to any type of belief system, is the end of questions and, to me, is a dark road to travel.
Time and again, very decent people have sought answers, thought they have found them in a person or belief system, and stopped seeking. Cults arise when people stop asking questions and the cult leader is considered beyond questioning, beyond reproach, beyond doubt. These dead end scenarios leave the followers open to abuse and influence for bad, and these situations can only happen when people give up their rights to question what they see, hear and experience.
I am not calling raw foodism a cult, any more than I would call veganism, Judaism, Buddhism or Christianity a cult. But, I am disturbed when people of any kind accept dogma without question. When someone comes to you claiming that Jesus is the Savior of mankind, you should really question this. When someone comes to you and says that our goal in life should be to detach from suffering, you should think deeply about this. When someone comes to you and tells you that all ill health stems from not getting enough rest and eating cooked foods, you should seriously question the validity of such a statement. Does it seem right to you? Does it match with what you know of spiritual things, human history, ethical behavior and the search for truth? What does your spirit feel about blanket statements like this? Do they feel like real solutions, or jumping off points for further inquiry?
My hope is that raw foodism looks like a question to you, instead of an answer. David Klein’s book lists testimonials from people who claim to have been cured of serious diseases by raw foods. He does not include the testimonials of people you will find elsewhere, explaining that they began to have symptoms of failure to thrive on a raw food diet. My chief problem here, in sum, is not that a raw foods diet may/may not be a good idea, but that many people are profiting by promoting raw foods as a cure to life-threatening diseases. It is the promotion and profit aspect of this that gave me the last piece of information I felt I needed to make up my mind about whether going raw was right for me.
I am sincerely glad if going on a raw foods diet has helped sick people, temporarily or in the long term, to feel better. David Klein explains that he was living on a diet of junk food before going raw, and I can certainly believe that this switch might have been exactly what he needed to start to resolve his symptoms of Ulcerative Colitis. It may be that any massive change over from a junk food diet to a more plant-based one (be that vegetarian, vegan, raw, or whole foods) would be enough to put a digestive disorder into remission, possibly even permanently. How wonderful for anyone who has known the agonies of chronic illness, to reach a day of wellness, whether they get there through diet, prayer, medicine or some other vehicle. But blanket statements, applied to all people…these, I found I could not swallow.
I mentioned that, to me, the glory is in the question. I am quite ready to concede here that my conclusions may be wrong. Perhaps miraculous healing was just on the other side of that raw banana for me, and I’ve made a foolish mistake deciding that a woman who has been vegan all her adult life is really already eating about as simply and healthily as any woman has, at any point in human history. I will continue to eat my vegan diet, rich in as many diverse raw and cooked fruits, veggies, legumes and grains as I can grow and find. I will make the most of the food source available to me, in the hopes that a healthy species and a healthy environment are to be found in diversity rather than restrictions.
Perhaps I’m wrong about this and will miss out on a cure for Crohn’s disease promised to me if I’ll only abandon the fire-using ways of all my ancestors. But, somehow, I don’t think so. I’ve really searched my heart about this, done my homework and decided that for me, the raw food diet holds no miracles and very few charms. My hope is that you will also seek answers, especially if you are ill, before making any tremendous changes. When you are sick, you’ve already been through a lot. Take it easy, and look before you leap.
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44 users commented in " The Raw Food Diet – A Critical Essay On Why I Decided NOT To Go Raw "
Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackFirst of all, I am very happy to find a new post from you since I really like your writing and intelligent/intellectual approach to things! Your writing is awesome, and I appreciate the detail you go into. I agree with your ideas about raw food, and have come to some of the same conclusions myself and was glad to find support for it. I too want to do the right thing, and be as healthy as possible. The sad thing is that we do all we can, and are still subject to things we can not control like hereditary tendencies and things we were exposed to prior to awareness. I wish you the best of luck, and hope to see you post more since your efforts are appreciated! – Mycena
Greetings Mycena,
What a wonderful and encouraging comment to receive! Thank you for letting me know this article helped you to feel better supported in your own decisions and conclusions about the raw food diet. My goal with this is definitely to bring balance to the data that is out there on raw foodism, and it sounds like I’m off to a good start.
Yes, it is very tough for folks who do all they can to be healthy, yet find themselves lumbered with all kinds of health conditions. A good personal example of this is that my husband, who dines exactly as I do, is a very healthy man. So, here we are, both eating the same and one of us is sick and the other one is healthy. Then, even my husband got sick after being exposed to pesticides where we formerly lived. He’s doing better from this now, thankfully, and generally enjoys good health, while I struggle on. So, here are 2 people, eating the same and having the same activities, but with 2 different health outcomes, likely due to genetics. It’s complex stuff, but something to pay attention to.
What works for each person is different, that’s for sure, and I am very encouraged to read that a person such as yourself is making the efforts you can to find out what’s right for you by considering different options and researching them. That is very intelligent and healthy!
Your kind comments are greatly appreciated by me. Sorry posting has been light here on VeganReader.com for a little while. I will try to keep at this in whatever free time I have. Wishing the best!
Mim
Apart from avocados, lots of nuts (which can be pretty fatty, too, as far as I recall) can possibly be cultivated without thousands miles of shipping. For example, we have ours transported from our southern neighbours (Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, etc). I even suspect that some nuts can be grown in moderate/colder climtes, too.
I did try going raw and the first thing I did was to eat rice that lay in water for a night and I couldn’t do it (tasted like chalk). Since rice is about 80% of my diet, I can’t go raw. But I do try to eat fresh vegetables/fruits over roasted ones, anyway, for the same very reason: there’s now way cooking will add vitamins to them the way the sun does it.
And yes, recently, I started noticing that I was getting chillier (hot shower, hot food helps a bit). There could be many reasons for this. But I know for sure that when I did run a lot, getting/staying warm wasn’t a problem: in fact, it’s after running that I started to walk w/o a hat (til -35C) and wear one layer less in winter.
Perhaps, strictly limiting yourself to raw foods, especially sharply, isn’t the answer, but I do think this theory does give us something useful.
Oh, speaking of not requiring lots of shipped goods. If I only relied on what’s made locally, I’d most likely keep eating curds/cheese (or meat), than soy, because it’s shipped from China. An alternative would be to use rice+beans, but they are about 1/3-1/2 as good as soy and curds/cheese.
Also, I do realize, when I can’t get soy, I’d have to change my diet (which, btw, seems to happen as I try to eat more rice+kidney beans, than soy/lentils) and maybe eat meat, but until that happens I’ll keep the diet that doesn’t make me kill or participate in killing living beings.
But it doesn’t mean that I’ll change my diet now. So, perhaps, given the info you found on the natural man (who ate meat and prepped food), you might not want to disregard the possible benefits of raw foods and the vegan diet as well.
Greetings, Yuri!
Thank you for sharing your perspective on this and I am in full agreement with you that raw foods are a very important component of a healthy diet (as well as an eco-friendly one), and it seems from your comment that you agree with me that diversity is the best thing. Not all raw, not all cooked, but a variety of choices and foods.
Yes, nuts grow in many, many places, but the recipes I’ve encountered on raw foods sites rely so heavily on sub-tropical and tropical fats (avocados, coconuts, etc.) and these are only local to the regions in which they grow. I agree, it would be better to depend on whatever fats are nearest to you, at least from an ecological standpoint.
Thank you for sharing your story about the rice…that definitely doesn’t sound like it would work for you, but it’s smart that you explored this idea, and I’m hoping every one will do their own experiments to find what is right for them, individually.
For now, I will be keeping with the vegan diet I’ve had for 20 years which is made up of cooked and raw foods and leans as heavily as possible on what we can grow and buy locally. Really appreciated you taking the time to comment!
I forgot to mention that I’m impressed by your desire to reskill and do everything yourself: that’s one of my goals as well.
Actually, we’ve had our dacha (a summar house with a 500sq ft garden/farm) for years and enjoyed our own foods there, which tastes much better, than the one sold in shops or even at the local food markets.
Since I’m still eating soy, I’ll be investigating your soy recipes, hopefully your site does have a number of them
For now, I only roast the soy products in sunflower oil and either sprinkled with curcumine or bananas (first roast bananas, remove them, then roast soy in that oil and serve w/ banans: fatty, but tasty!).
Hi Yura!
That is so fantastic that you are trying to acquire skills, too. It is fun and satisfying.
Your dacha sounds beautiful, and I have read beautiful stories about Russian families hunting wild mushrooms while staying at their dachas. It’s great that you family has a garden at yours, and I absolutely know how much better your home-grown produce tastes than store-bought. Also, fresh-picked foods have all of their vitamins because you are eating the right away.
We don’t have too many recipes on VeganReader, I’m afraid, but we do have some. Your method of cooking soy in banana oil is amazing. I’ve never heard of anyone doing that before! You are so creative, Yura. Thank you, again, for stopping by.
David Klein states in a 3/26/10 blog entry during a trip to Hawaii:
http://davidkleinphd.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/refreshed/
“Here I am at age 52 at the Surfboard Fence near Haiku. I’m still about 20 pounds under my normal weight following a long fast a while back, but am gaining new muscle as the months go by.”
and here’s a larger version of the picture here:
http://davidkleinphd.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/surfboardfence2.jpg
Furthermore, on Klein’s return from Hawaii, he responds on his forum on his http://www.livingnutrition.com/ site on 4/05/10 concerning the fast:
http://www.livingnutrition.com/lnforum/read.php?2,7732,7806#msg-7806
“The fasting story is a long one, Jeff. Too long to detail here. In a nutshell, I hurt my back and my gut stopped working and I had to fast 16 days and went down to 82 lbs. Lots more to it, but easier to explain by phone.
Dave”
He dropped to 82 pounds? EIGHTY-TWO pounds! “My gut stopped working.” What’s a clinical diagnosis of “gut stopped working”?
Since Mr. Klein likes to quote in his book statements like:
“When I finally became dynamically healthy and fit, some people remarked that I was ‘the healthiest person they ever saw.’”
his health claims in his books vs. a recent alarming picture in Hawaii and statements that he allowed his weight to drop to 82 lbs. during a fast could call his credibility into question.
Welcome Cornelius,
Thank you so much for coming here to share this very concerning news about David Klein. I feel real concern for him, dropping to such a frightening weight and I am going to pray for him. That is truly scary.
I don’t know Klein in any way, and certainly would never accuse him of lying, but it does sound as if the good health he enjoyed when he wrote the book of his that I bought has not continued into the present, which is really too bad.
Ulcerative Colitis is a crippling illness and I hoped, for this man’s sake, that somehow his raw food diet really had resolved his illness, but it sounds as if that good health has not been permanent for him and I feel very sorry to read that. It’s definitely true that back injuries can play havoc with digestion because of inflammation running riot through different systems in the body – this same thing happened to my mother when she injured her back a few years ago. Her digestion was very disrupted for about 6 months until all the inflammation resolved. But, I would have been terrified for her if, on top of this, she went on a crash fast and dropped to 82 pounds. I think I would have taken her to a hospital.
Let’s hope the David Klein has other people in his life who will confront him about the dangerousness of his weight and help him to start eating again so that he can climb his way back to a better weight. I can’t feel anything but sorry for him in his predicament. When you are living with a disease like UC or Crohn’s, you live in a sort of constant fear and might resort to any number of crazy things as a result of this. I understand this from first-hand experience.
What I will also pray for is that if David Klein is no longer maintaining the perfect health he described in his books, he will make this clear in no uncertain fashion to the public so that other people struggling for health will not be misled.
Thank you, again, Cornelius, for drawing my attention to this. It’s extremely important that people who follow teachers have a true picture of the teacher’s real life, and your documentation of this is important.
Mim
I am concerned for Dave too, and I hope my original post didn’t come off as too negative of him. I have Crohn’s myself. Cornelius is a pseudonym but I have exchanged email with Dave and he knows my real identity. I did exchange an email with him concerning this issue, and he said it wasn’t UC. He’s very responsive on replying to emails and Mim if you write me at my email address I will share that with you if you wish to contact him. I do think the diet he advocates (while maybe great for some people in the short-term for healing) may have bad long-term implications, but he may be too entrenched in his interpretation of Natural Hygiene, and his businesses of selling books, consultation practice, Vibrance magazine, and selling water distillers, to admit it’s failures. And the International Natural Hygiene Society does not endorse a raw vegan diet of mostly fruit!
http://naturalhygienesociety.org/diet3.html
and the disclaimer on this article:
http://naturalhygienesociety.org/cases/casestory6.html
I am also concerned to the extent Mr. Klein did recently come out with the 3rd edition of his “Self Healing Colitis & Crohn’s” book, which continues to (I assume, I have the 2nd edition) have the same underlying issues as you state in your original article above. That is bringing out a new edition of the book while possibility having ongoing issues related to the very diet he advocates in the book. Also as you may know fasting can be a major part of Natural Hygiene.
Hello, Cornelius,
How good of you to come back and add more to this discussion. No, I don’t think you came across as too negative about David Klein and I’m really glad to know that you feel the same concern I do about his well-being.
It’s good you are in touch with him, Cornelius, and good that you can express your concerns to him. People need to hear from others who care about them to avoid vacuum-thinking. I did actually correspond one time with David Klein, prior to purchasing his book which I’m assuming is the most recent edition as I made this purchase within the last year. So, yes, the same rather bewildering claims are being made about Natural Hygiene and TC Fry in this book.
Let’s both hope that Mr. Klein will examine his situation with wisdom and be totally frank about his on-going health with all of the people who follow his teachings. I think it’s good that he spoke publicly about his weight, Cornelius, as that has enabled someone like you or me to say, “hey, this doesn’t sound good.”
I know that fasting is a tradition in many cultures, but I tend to think it must be an awfully dangerous thing for someone like you or me (with Crohn’s) to do. Our health is already compromised and we are struggling to eat enough and not get malnourished and skinny. My husband spends his whole day laying appetizing meals before me just to get me to eat as much as I can so that I can have some hope of my damaged system absorbing at least some of the nutrients I eat. I’m sure you’ve struggled with this, too.
I’m really sorry to learn you are a fellow Crohn’s sufferer. It’s no fun, is it? But, it sounds like you’ve got a mind in fantastic working order, researching, asking questions, seeking answers for yourself and using that priceless power of discernment to determine what seems right to you and what comes across as off.
Thanks, again, Cornelius, for sharing such helpful and important information here. I really appreciate it.
Mim
Mim,
I did email Dave some additional concerns and he says he’s OK. Tell you what, if you wish why don’t you remove our April 13th comments on your blog regarding this, and I will then send him the web link for your article, that is a way you might be able to draw him into a dialogue. Also please email me at the email you see for me, and we’ll keep in touch privately.
Regards,
Don
Hi Don,
I’m glad to hear that David Klein says he is feeling better. He’s welcome to come comment here if he likes, but I don’t see a good reason to remove the comments. It’s not our policy to do so, but he is welcome to contribute to this thread at any time.
Best Wishes,
Mim
Mim,
OK. Unless he stumbles across your article (he might) I’m hesitant to refer him to it with my comments on it … since I discuss the fact of my email correspondence with him. But if he comes across your article and sees it, so be it. But since we’re on that subject …
Basically I asked him:
“Dropping to eighty-two pounds sounds very alarming on the surface. I hope you have friends and family (including those outside of the raw and natural hygiene movement) who do know what’s going on with you and offer you concern
and objective feedback.
Respectively,
Don” (omitting my last name)
to which he replied:
“Yes, they saw me lose 30 lbs 26 yrs ago and know well. Stop worrying, Don!”
But both you and I know Mim (since we’ve read his book) that no where does he reference that he allowed his weight to drop to 82 pounds! He does state in his book “My weight went down to 118 pounds from what I consider my normal 134 pounds” during his “healing process”. Do the math, 134 – 118 is 16, not 30. I think it would be reasonable for any third-party with that knowledge, regardless of not having detailed information to exactly what is going on, to conclude that allowing one’s weight to drop that low (82 lbs.) is very dangerous and not medically advisable under any imaginable circumstances. Furthermore, I think this calls into question the long-term implications of this diet and maintaining a healthy body weight with a “post-healing” diet comprised of 90% raw fruit.
He did state in an earlier reply “I did not have ulc colitis. I lifted a lot of heavy boxes and my lower back got very stiff.”
What’s also interesting is on his message board where he stated the fasting and extreme weight lost, not one person replied critically of it. But the only people he now allows now to post on the message board are paid subscribers to his magazine.
I think your critique of the book is very well written and hopefully anyone who would consider this approach will think about it critically as you do, and G-d willing some of them will read your article. Well done!
Hello Cornelius,
Thank you so much for your kind comments regarding this article. I really appreciate that, and also appreciate your fact checking and genuine concern for people who may decide to go raw without seeing sides to the story such as you have turned up.
A grown man weighing 82 lbs. is seriously concerning. That is a weight for a child – not a full-grown adult and I truly, truly hope that David Klein will be okay. With that little body fat, I would be afraid that the outcomes of anorexia/bulimia might set in and the major organs would begin to digest themselves in an effort to survive. I share your concern that none of the people on the forum you’ve referenced have expressed disturbance about this, and this is all the more reason that it is important to present a balanced and realistic view of this diet choice. It is terrible to think that others might find themselves in this position of being dangerously emaciated because they don’t think critically about what they are doing.
I was talking with my husband about this – talking about how when you have such a serious disease as Crohn’s or UC, you live with fear. If you do something that seems to help alleviate the condition, you might be so frightened of the excruciating pain returning that you would continue to do this action/diet/practice, even at the cost of the rest of your bodily or mental health. I can easily see how this could happen and this is why I am worried for anyone who might read about book like Self Healing Crohn’s and Colitis, experience some relief at first, but then begin to spiral into further ill health in other ways.
As I said in the article, I didn’t write this piece to attack anyone’s beliefs, and I certainly didn’t have any thought of specifically targeting David Klein. He happens to be the raw foodist author whose book I read that really made me question what was being suggested as a cure for all ills. But, your participation in this thread, Cornelius, has brought a real-life situation to light, ironically involving the author of this book, himself. In a sense, you have put a realistic light on the hypothetical concerns I was expressing, and I hope many people will read your comments here.
Please, don’t feel obliged in any way to show this post to the author. While we would welcome his comments, this article is not about him, specifically. It is really about urging people to thoroughly consider any such miraculous health claims. I want people to use the powers of their minds, even in the depths of desperate illness. If Mr. Klein wishes to contribute to the comments here, he is free to, but don’t worry if he doesn’t. Frankly, I would prefer for him to spend any free time he has getting healthier as I am worried for him and his loved ones.
Thank you, again, Cornelius, for your illuminating contributions to the comments on this piece.
Mim
Mim,
I greatly appreciate your article, and the information presented. I bought David Klein’s book 3 weeks ago, read it in three days, and began the diet immediately. I’ve had Crohn’s for 15 yrs ago and have been struggling through a pretty bad flare for the past two years. My medications have escalated from one form to another more serious form, and I am now moving to the last treatment currently available. If it doesn’t work, I understand that surgery may be my only option.
I put a lot of hope and faith in the diet. As you’ve stated, when you’re desperately ill, you’re desperate, and you’ll try anything. I lost about 1 lb. a day and felt very tired, light-headed, and “off.” But I continued with it and maintained hope that it might be the solution I’ve waited for.
I think what ultimately turned me off was a conversation I had with David Klein by phone. I sought his consultation services and expected that we would talk about my symptoms, what I had been eating, what I should be doing differently to sustain the diet, etc.
The conversation began with him telling me that I absolutely MUST come off all drugs immediately and quit my job. His lack of sensitivity or an appreciation for what this means, for someone that has been dealing with the disease and seeing MDs for so many years, was somewhat shocking. I quickly admitted that I was not ready to make those drastic changes and he said he could not work with someone that could not follow those mandates. He then spent 20 minutes trying to convince me that quitting (meds and work) was necessary and telling me his personal story. We never got in to my personal situation, symptoms, experience with the diet, or anything. He simply reiterated messages that are in his book. I was quite surprised when he then asked me for payment. I was uncomfortable paying him $150 (his standard hourly rate) for a 25 minute call in which he simply reiterated his thoughts on work and drugs, or even $75, which he proposed as a compromise. I offered to pay him $35, which I felt was more reasonable, but the call ended with him telling me that he did not want me to pay if I was not comfortable. Two weeks later I received a “Past Due” invoice for $150. When I emailed him to remind him of our conversation and to offer again to pay him a small amount in recognition of his time (though still I believe that part of selling a service is speaking with potential customers, and in no way did our conversation ever get into a “personal consultation”), he sent me a scathing, nasty email in response, personally attacking me and accusing me of not respecting him, or my disease.
I cannot say whether or not his diet works, but I can say that for someone who is such an advocate of peace and elimination of stress in life, his words and actions are quite shocking. I’m surprised by how worked up he got over this, and that he would send such a message to me, someone currently suffering with this disease. It does make me think that this is more about profit, then healing.
I began searching for more fair-balanced information about the diet and book, and came across your article, which is fascinating. I really appreciate the information and insights presented.
I’d like to continue to focus on a diet of fruits and vegetables as I do believe the processed foods we eat are not optimally nutritious. However, it is hard not to think that David, like TC Fry, is not just someone trying to profit off selling this ideal diet to all who will believe in him. And this “other side” of him (including someone who will let himself get down to 82 lbs!) makes me wonder if, like TC Fry, he has something to hide. His recent actions certainly do not make me want to call again or work with him in the future. He has in fact left me feeling more skeptical of his book than ever.
I’ve read the testimonials on his website and I truly hope these people have found relief, but I agree with you that we’re not seeing any of the comments from people who have tried the diet and it has not worked for them. Another interesting point – I asked him on our call if he could give me the contact information for a patient with Crohn’s who had healed under his program, and he dodged the question, saying that he would give it to me after I paid him for the consultation. I later asked him how many people he has helped with Crohn’s, and he said he does not know because he treats people with gut problems and it’s all the same. Again, I just felt like his answers were not straight-forward, and not very truthful or honest.
I was left feeling very frustrated and disappointed, and I appreciate the opportunity to express this interaction, perhaps for the benefit of others who come across this site. His program should certainly be looked at as a question – something to be further explored. And each of us must decide if it’s right for us or not.
Thank you again, and I wish you good health.
Dear Viva,
First, please let me express some EMPATHY for your situation, as it sounds like you experienced the opposite of this when speaking with David Klein. I am so sorry about your 15 years of struggling with Crohn’s Disease, and because I know the pain of this first hand, I have some idea of what you’ve gone through, and what your hopeful mindset was in considering the raw foods diet. We are on the same page, and this is also how I felt when I found Klein’s book.
I truly appreciated you detailing your experience of reading this book, attempting to follow its prescribed diet and ordering consulting services from the author. What a shame that this did not work out for you…I really do get how totally disappointing this has been, because I understand that desperate hope that SOMETHING will be the cure for this incredibly painful and life-altering disease.
As I’ve written above, I didn’t pen this article to specifically target David Klein, but his was the book I read and it served as a major jumping off point for me into inquiry about the whole raw foods diet and I found I couldn’t agree with what was being promoted. It sounds to me like you’ve had a really similar experience in this book making you start to question what you were doing, and while I share you disappointment, I applaud the fact that you started researching, inquiring and even ended up here reading this article. I think the comment you’ve left may be very helpful to others who have Crohn’s Disease and find themselves standing in the shoes that both you and I are wearing right now.
I’ve come to feel that diet is not a contributor to becoming ill with Crohn’s Disease. However, at the same time, I agree with you that a processed foods/junk food diet does not contribute to good health, and so eating as simply and naturally as possible is likely to support your overall health, even though it may not have any effect on your Crohn’s disease, one way or another. I feel that sick people should eat as well as they possibly can, both for functional and psychological reasons, whether this cures disease or not.
To that end, I sincerely hope that you will continue to work towards a diet you feel is healthy for you, and that some day, some researcher will figure out what actually causes Crohn’s Disease. For many years, people thought that ulcers were caused by stress. People spent decades going to doctors who told them that they needed to become less stressed if they wanted their ulcers to heal. It was then discovered that many ulcers are caused by a virus/bacteria. I have a feeling the same thing will happen with Crohn’s Disease; some researcher will identify a bacteria, pathogen, virus, chemical or something along those lines that sets Crohn’s in motion in the human body.
I don’t know if you’ve already heard about this, Viva, but for many years, Crohn’s Disease was called the ‘western disease’ because it seemed to occur predominantly in Canada and the United States. I recently spoke with a doctor who attended a large conference on gastrointestinal disorders and he said that Crohn’s Disease is now becoming widespread all over China. So much for the ‘western disease’. China’s environment, diet, and numerous other factors are so different from what we consider a standard American diet or mode of living that this has just further reinforced my belief that Crohn’s Disease has to come from either an organism that gets into the human body or the prevalence of some type of chemical (like pesticides) in our environment. I just don’t think it’s about food. You’ll find guys eating Big Macs 3 times a day with Crohn’s Disease, and ladies like me, eating home cooked, organic meals three times a day, with the same condition. How can it be about what we eat?
Hope I’m not rambling, but as a fellow Crohn’s sufferer, I just want to let you know that I feel I understand the experience you’ve had and that I am intimately acquainted with that question your brain never stops asking, “Why do I have this disease and what caused it?”
I believe the answer will be found one day…I pray that it’s soon enough for both of us to benefit from it, and in the meantime, I think we will both continue to try to live as healthily as we can in as many areas of our life as we can in order to take care of our bodies which are having to put up such a fight to survive such a horrendous condition.
I sincerely appreciate the time you took to share your story and want you to know you are welcome to comment here any time. Thank you for your good wishes for my health and please allow me to wish you the same.
Mim
Hello Mim,
I arrived at your site via a rice milk recipe and stayed because your writing and gentle nature inspired me. I never reply to blogs…but your generous contribution (along with others in this group) encouraged me.
First of all, thank you for the site…the information…the personal stories…oh ya, and the great rice milk recipe. I too am vegan (new) for ethical reasons. I’ve been a vegetarian most of my life, but made the jump this year. I love cooking and find veganism forces me to be a more creative, authentic cook. The switch has presented struggles, but so far so good.
Also, similar to you, I was diagnosed with IBD (severe ulcerated colitis and then later Crohn’s Disease) about 30 years ago (symptoms began at 10…got worse at 17, became dangerous at 22.) I have been subjected to many theories, fades and medical run a rounds. Something about this disease brings out well intentioned souls offering strong advice that is often wrapped in a cloud of craziness. Now, in a settled state of relatively dormant IBD, I can reflect more easily on the last 30 years. I am grateful to be mostly OK now.
In the past, through my own desperation over 3 decades, I have signed up for a host of alternative treatments and opinions. Even western medicine hosts a fair selection of overzealous, fact weak contributors. Twelve years ago, in a state of out of control pain, fear, I decided to start nonsteroidal immunosuppressants. From a naturalist’s point of view, I hate them, but they do work, for me. I understand the theories about diet with any illness, but I feel that IBD is a direct result of both genes and some unknown toxin triggering the disease. I think diet can control it, IF YOU ARE LUCKY, but not everyone will be. It is not your fault if this path is not a cure. Eating healthy foods that are good for the environment and respectful of animals is a joyful journey that needs no medical reason to embrace. I find raw food cookbooks to be very entertaining, but not as a full time lifestyle.
Thank you for your well spoken, graceful thoughts. I appreciate your site and will visit again. And I will make rice milk tomorrow.
Best regards,
Potato (a childhood nickname…long story)
It sounds like you have done your research and understand a great deal about the human body, especially yours! If you have the chance I would recommend reading Healthier Without Wheat by Stephen Wangen, or The Gerson Therapy by Charlotte Gerson (or watch The Gerson Miracle, you can Netflix it instantly if you have an account). It sounds like you have addressed virtually all possibilities except for these as I saw no mention of elimination of gluten and/or other products. Just a thought! Good luck on your vegan path, I am currently embarking upon a gluten free vegan, non-processed diet now and you are very inspiring!
Welcome JCB,
I’m afraid we haven’t heard of Gerson Therapy. I’ll be interested to look that up, but I did want you to know that our family farm/home is gluten free. It was very hard for us to give up bread, at first, because we baked wonderful loaves of it, but when I was diagnosed has having gluten sensitivity, we had to take that seriously. For many months, I felt deprived and depressed without bread…until we began making our own corn tortillas. I stopped craving wheat bread when we started making white corn tortillas which are just about the best bread this side of Heaven. Here is our article on how to do this, and I think it might help you in your efforts to be vegan, gluten free and self-sufficient:
http://www.veganreader.com/2010/06/13/how-to-make-corn-tortillas-tortillas-corn-recipe/
Please, allow me to wish you luck in what you are doing! Please, come again.
Mim
Thank you for your thoughtful and incisive look at the raw foods diet. It is so frequently recommended as panacea for all illness that one could almost feel guilty for being sick and not following it. I tried what I thought would be a healthful version and had a terrible reaction.
I am so sorry to hear about your problems with Crohn’s. Personally, I know how hard it is to deal with chronic illness when you have spent years being vegetarian and eating the freshest, organic foods available. Have you tried Boswellia?
I have autoimmune thyroiditis, which means that my body is disabling the thyroid gland. Widespread muscle pain and weakness are present, often limiting normal activities like walking or even raising my arm. I first tried Boswellia @a month ago and can tell you that it greatly diminishes inflammation, without harmful side effects. It is also listed as a specific for Crohn’s.
You’ve probably already seen this article, but I’ll include a link just in case. The info about Boswellia is towards the bottom of the page:http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/articles/Crohns_Colitis_Bone_Phytotherapy.shtml
Welcome, Joanie!
I’m glad you found this article to be valuable, and I’m sorry to hear you tried the raw food diet and had a terrible time with it. Maybe there are some people who can do this successfully for years, but my bet would be that there are many more people who would not have a good experience with it.
Thank you for your kind words about my Crohn’s Disease. Many of the women in my family have hypo or hyper-thyroidism, so I can imagine your own struggles. That is super that Boswellia has turned out to be helpful for you! What a relief! I did try taking this for about a year and did not experiences any positive effects from it (no lessening of flares or symptoms) but that’s just how it is with herbal medicines. Each one many work for some folks and not for others. I’m so glad you found something that works for you!
Many thanks for taking the time to leave a comment here. It was much appreciated.
Mim
I love what raw food does for me. That being said, I think you are on the right path. There are serious consequences from going 100% raw discussed in depth by a couple of the leading raw food activists including Fred Bischi. They believe that some of the original raw foodists have died at a younger age than expected due to the fact that they became “too pure”. In other words their bodies lost a built up defense against unavoidable environmental toxins. I do think that in cases where serious illness is involved that we need to completely eliminate the offending food and ADD whatever the body might be lacking. The big question is what that is specifically. I don’t see how processed foods can be good for anyone. Too much cooked and too little raw food could be toxic in varying degrees depending on the individual. Others might also be ill from gluten, dairy or even certain raw foods. Still others suffer from severe deficiencies in vitamins or other nutrients like omega 3′s or trace minerals. This could be the reason raw food alone isn’t working for some and does wonders for others. Good luck in your search for wellness.
Thank you for this post. I found it to be very informative and interesting. I am a fellow Crohn’s sufferer and was in remission for 8 years. I think at the time, pregnancy spurred my remission. Just over a year ago I became vegetarian, and felt great. We incorporated green smoothies into our daily routine, and felt even better. About 6 months ago, I became vegan. I felt that I was eating healthier than ever in my life. Then, out of the blue, just a couple of months ago, I started my first flare in over 8 years. Now, I had some inflammation in my joints that started last summer, so maybe something was brewing, but I remember distinctly the day my stomach started having symptoms (January 23rd). I actually thought I had eaten something the night before at a dinner party that didn’t agree with me, but then the symptoms never went a way, got worse, and I realized that it seemed to be a flare. I had been researching and trying raw foods before this, but I felt that raw foods were not good to eat during a flare. I am being followed by a naturopath, who put me on a one day fast, and was baffled when I was still running to the bathroom after having basically no food in my system. I finally had to take steroids because I knew if I didn’t I’d end up in the hospital. I just bought the David Klein book, and like you and others, I feel desperate. However, I also question his ideas. Other books I have say that fruit should actually be kept to a minimum because the body doesn’t see any difference between fruit sugar and regular sugar and all that sugar creates an environment that ferments inside our bodies. So I am now confused, do I try the David Klein ideas or am I doing myself a disservice? So far I have used some of his suggestions but am eating cooked food also. The steroids are making me really hungry and to be honest it feels really good to eat food after having a few weeks of eating just plain stuff. I want to know if anyone else has thoughts for/against Natural Hygiene and ineffectiveness (or not), especially with Crohn’s. Thanks!
Welcome, NellieMaria,
First, please let me condole with you that your Crohn’s has flared up after 8 years of relative peace. I know how badly you must be feeling about this…saying, here we go again, to yourself in disbelief!
I’m glad you found this article informative. As you can see from it and from the comments following it from many readers, there are so many of us out there trying to figure out if diet is a factor in our illness. I’ve personally had to conclude that, for me, it isn’t. I’m starting to believe that one day, Crohn’s will be found to stem from some type of virus…rather like AIDS. It may be one of those things that you catch somehow and have recurrent episodes of throughout life. Malaria is like this, actually. My great uncle got malaria in the Pacific during WWII and throughout his life, he would occasionally have a relapse of it. May we all live to see the day when they find whatever the missing cause is of this very debilitating disease.
As for whether or not raw foods, as prescribed in Klein’s book, would help you or hurt you…I don’t think I or anyone else here can truthfully answer this. Some people definitely claim to find help with this diet and others simply don’t. The only way for you to know would be for you to try it yourself, and if you do this, please be very careful and monitor your health to be sure that you are NOT making yourself sicker. If your temperature drops or you begin to fail to thrive, then definitely seek medical aid and don’t continue doing something that is hurting you.
My own personal guess, as I’ve said, is that Crohn’s Disease is not diet related. If it was, how can one account for someone like me (eating so simply and naturally) and someone living on fast food having the same disease? It doesn’t make sense. I’ve also started to believe that the medical advice about not eating when you have a flare up is not right for ME. I find, actually, that if I eat, I feel better. So, go figure.
The bottom line is that no one – not book authors, doctors or this blogger right here – knows what causes Crohn’s or what will cure it, but that some people do go into long or even permanent remission and no one really knows why that is either. Your job, out of your ties to the gift of life, is to keep trying to be healthy, in any way you think might be good. Because I’m sick like you are, I know the effort contained in the word ‘try’. There are some days when you can hardly get out of bed, but you just keep on living and trying.
Let’s not give up. Let’s keep reading and trying and testing any information we come across with the powers of our intellect. We may find real help if we keep trying.
Please allow me to wish you good luck. Hang in there!
Mim
Hey Mim,
I came across your website because I was interested in making my own rice milk rather than buy it at a store. I loved and appreciated your article on it and decided to browse your website, which brings me here.
I’m not an expert in human health (western or holistic), but when it comes to my health I have always explored holistic options and can say I know a little about the topic. Healing ailments by adjusting your diet has always intrigued me since I was introduced years ago to Veria (the television network). There is a woman, Andrea Beman, who is very involve with the network and has her own show (Fed Up!) where she shares natural recipes. Maybe you’ve heard of her already? What I find so inspiring about her is that Andrea suffered and cured herself of autoimmune thyroiditis. She did this though a macrobiotic diet (I have to mention she was not vegan). She learned how to do this at the Kushi Institute while her mother was ill with cancer. Maybe it’s worth exploring? Even if it can’t help cure your disease, maybe it can cure any other minor aliments you have (i.e. incontinence, fatigue) allowing your body to cure itself of what’s really important.
Also, I have suffered for a very long time with respiratory problems and happen to be allergic to three different types of antibiotics. Unable to turn to western medicine I was forced to explore other options. I’ve tried acupuncture from a Caucasian practitioner and it helped. I later went to a traditional Chinese practitioner (I live in NYC) and he has been able to help me like nothing else I have ever tried, I feel almost cured. If you are ever in the area I would be happy to give you his contact info.
Wish you all the best!
Cheers,
Michelle
Greetings, Michelle!
I apologize for the delayed response. This is our busiest time of year on the family farm and most of my free time is spent outdoors, which is wonderful, but I sometimes am a little slow on responding to valuable comments like yours.
Like you, I’ve tried so many different non-western approaches to better health over the years. I’m really glad you’ve found help with acupuncture! That is terrific news. I’ve not heard of Andrea Berman, but it is very inspiring when people are able to heal from dread medical issues.
As I’ve mentioned above, I don’t believe my Crohn’s disease is food-related…in fact, at this point in the game, I’m not actually sure that everybody diagnosed with Crohn’s is even suffering from the same thing. The medical knowledge just isn’t there. That being said, it does make sense for people to try all different kinds of things to strive for better health, and I can’t thank you enough for taking the time to share a story you’ve found inspiring out of concern for me. That is truly kind of you, but I’ve basically given up on the diet=sickness idea at this point in my journey with sickness, because diet is one thing in my life that is as simple, healthy and whole as possible. For many people, though, that’s not the case and a change in diet could be very helpful.
Thank you again for your friendly comment. Bless you!
Mim
Hi Mim,
I was upset to hear that you are having health problems, I hope that your health improves and that any pain you may be experiencing diminishes. I was just wondering if you had looked into Grounding or Earthing yet. If your diet is good maybe there is some other factor affecting your health. I came across this book called Earthing— by Clinton Ober, Stephen T.Sinatra, M.D Martin Zucker. It’s basically about how the surface of the earth is the source of free electrons, and how our shoes and beds insulate us from the healing benefits of these free electrons. A lot of inflammation illnesses are caused by too many free radicals in the body reaping havoc on our system, when we touch the earth or sleep on the earth these free radicals are neutralised and inflammation in the body lessens. For some people being around a lot of electronics or even household wiring is enough to disrupt the nervous system, and cause irregularities in messages the body is sending to itself. I don’t really know anything about crones disease but maybe this info can help you, If it doesn’t I really hope you can find something that does:)
I came across your site whilst I was looking for a recipe for rice milk and almond milk. The recipes both turned out well thanks
Best wishes for good health!
Aem
Dear Aem,
Thank you so much for your compassionate, friendly comment. I am touched. I’ve not heard of the doctors or their theory, but I do believe there could be something in that. I have always made it a practice to take my shoes off on the farm and touch the earth with the soles. I don’t do this every day, but whenever I think of it, and it does feel very grounding. I should remember to do it more often. Thank you for raising this point and bringing it to my attention. And thank you, most of all, for caring.
Mim
Hi, Miriam
A lot has happened since I’ve commented on the article.
I believe it’s as hard to go from vegan to raw as from meat eating to veganism. It’s a notable mind shift, which is driven by understanding what your body needs and your desire to be healthier. Unless you learn the benefits of becoming raw and decide to be healthy from day one, you go step by step, of course (even though I think that once you know why going raw is better, it’s better go switch to it asap, if possible, rather than continue to poison yourself with intermediate food.)
First of all, there is indeed incomplete information on the Web about going raw. If in the English Internet it may be too positive, our Russian web has mostly anecdotal experiences of people with less than 1.5 years of experience. Of course, upon good searching, it’s possible to find the gems or translated books of the westerners (Jericho Sunfire, Douglas Graham). But it doesn’t mean you can’t absorb all the information out there, try some reasoned things out and see for yourself. Like you said, you need to try things on yourself to find what you really need.
Secondly, there are a few simple facts you need to know about going raw:
- you save energy, since the raw food has enzymes to help you digest itself (it’s called autolysis)
- you get more energy, because you don’t destroy most of the nutrients, while cooking (inversely, you *spend more* energy to digest *less* nutrients, if you eat cooked food).
- the hard part is the cleansing process, where the body cleans itself from the pollution that was caused by cooked food, meat and other non-palatable food.
- in a way, all the negatives come from/during the cleansing process, but that’s not illness, really.
Rather than shying from this approach altogether, I’d suggest learning about it more and trying something out. The simplest thing to do would be to start eating more fruits and maybe doing fruit days (that may include tomatoes, watermelons, melons, etc).
I have never felt cold, after going raw. On the contrary, I’ve become much more resilient to cold (helped by running in the morning and tempering, of course, but nevertheless). The symptoms of cold (running nose) is, indeed, a sign that the body is becoming ill. But the thing is, it’s become ill from the non-raw food and is cleansing itself with the help of cold or exercise. This conclusion is based on my own experience.
After going raw, I decided to stop “eating toothpaste” and stopped using it, when cleaning my teeth. Since then, my teeth have attained a natural bone color, rather than the yellowish color of my skin (which the doctor said was fine, way back then
). The bad taste in my mouth in the morning has evaporated as well, since it comes mostly from eating cooked or non-palatable food.
There can, of course, many mistakes to be made, when going raw. And the bad symptoms or the reluctance to finish the transition process may come from them, rather than just from the healthy raw food (you won’t argue that a fresh tomato is healthier, than a cooked tomato, right?).
One of the books that you might want to read is 80-10-10 by Douglas Graham. It might be available in PDF. It contains the complete explanation of the raw food phenomenon and explains the mistakes people make, when starting to eat raw food. The transition process, it appears, is simply making the mistakes and learning from them (IMHO).
I’m not sure one can get perfect health with a vegan diet, these days. It doesn’t mean that one shouldn’t try to become healthier, however. Even on raw food, one has to eat a balanced diet and listen to its body – and even then, food only influences illness and recovery, but not what one does to one’s body (i.e., undersleeping, overworking, drinking alcohol, etc).
I think that your view on the matter is simply based on your current understanding of things. if you wish to understand why exactly raw food is healthier to humans (rather than what everyone already knows), then I suggest you to read Douglas Graham’s book, 80-10-10. Maybe then you’ll see where you can easily move without sacrificing much comfort.
Jericho Sunfire’s books (findable online) are more like a stream of consciousness, but they mention the mistakes he made and how he learned from them and what he thought of the whole process. It’s a worthy, but a bit tiring, read, too.
One of the way to start going raw is to simply eat more fresh fruits and palatable vegetables (without adding spices or salt). The reason for this is that eating non-palatable food leads you away from feeling content, and you start to add spices, salt and finally start cooking again
I’ve had and still, apparently, have problem only eating the palatable food, but it’s a matter of experience, perhaps.
For example, I eat cauliflower and broccoli raw (rather ok, if you get used to them), together with dill and garlic, but I try to get away from using garlic. Earlier, I couldn’t eat cauliflower without many more seasoning. I am focusing on eating more fruits, however.
So, the only way to keep eating raw without distracting oneself from it, would be to eat fruits, mostly (if we remember that tomatoes and water-melons are fruits as well, it’s not too bad).It explains why some raw-eaters become fruitarians, because it’s much easier to eat fresh/raw food this way.
If you would like to argue with me about eating raw, I suggest you read that book, 80 10 10, first, because it has most of the answers, some of which I don’t know myself (I haven’t finished reading it yet
). Then again, if you would like to know more of my experiences or thoughts about it, feel free to ask.
Hi Yura!
I’m so glad your comment came through this time. It’s extremely interesting to read your new perspective on this, and to hear that your additional research and reading facilitated a change of your viewpoint on the raw diet. It sounds like, so far, you are experiencing benefits that you really appreciate. Good for you.
I have not read 80-10-10, but do remember seeing it referenced frequently when I was doing my own pretty extensive research on the raw diet. As I recall, many people found its teachings quite convincing, and it sounds like this is the case with you, too.
I must stick by my original statements that I don’t believe that any diet is a panacea capable of preventing all disease or problems. I have never promoted the vegan diet as such, and wouldn’t suggest to anyone that a raw diet should be considered this way, either. I think that genetics and environmental aggressors can topple the good of any diet, resulting in sickness for the individual, no matter how hard they are trying to eat well. In fact, in my experience, the people who frequently are giving the most thought to how they eat are doing so because they are lumbered with the most ailments.
What I do believe is that different things are best for different people. I was really put off by the cure-all health claims being touted by raw food sites, and nonsensical claims that early man ate nothing but fruit (this is not supported by scientific evidence), but I have been similarly disenchanted with vegan sources that claim perfect health from a vegan diet.
Bottom line – I just don’t think anybody should be promoting any one diet as perfect or right for everyone. I think everyone is different. That being said, I am sincerely glad that you are experiencing such feelings of well-being right now, Yura. That is terrific, and I appreciate the time you took to follow up on your earlier comments on this article. I enjoyed reading what you wrote!
I don’t particularly insist that this diet is perfect or that everyone should use it.
What I think everyone should do, though, is to understand what happens to their body, when they eat the food they eat, and make corresponding food choices (even, if not changing their diet at all, but for a reason, this time).
Thank you so much for this article!
I’ve been considering going raw or even fruitarian for a while now, but having second thoughts — and your article reinforced that.
Eating fresh, raw food is something I think is really important and everyone should do, but saying that eating cooked food is less healthy, or unnatural, just doesn’t add up.
You also brought up an important point about the region you live in being an influence — in the end, everyone has to choose their diet based on what they can get their hands on, and what makes them feel balanced and healthy.
A final note, keep up the great posts! I came here looking for a recipe for almond milk, and found great wisdom along with that
Welcome Sarah,
I am so glad this post help you to carefully weigh your decision about going raw or fruitarian. And glad to know you found our almond milk recipe, too! We completely agree with you that everyone must choose their own way of eating, not based on what someone else thinks, but based on what they feel best about. That’s what counts!
Thank you for taking the time to comment and please come again.
Mim
Do you practice food combining? Do you practice juice fasting or any kind of cleansing? Do you eat salt? Gluten? White wheat flour? White rice? An uncontrolled amount of grains? White sugar? Condiments such as ketchup, mustard, vinegar? An uncontrolled amount of oils and fats? Store-bought juices, sodas, or sports drinks? Do you drink alcohol or caffeine? Do you smoke or take recreational drugs? Do you intake fatty foods such as nuts, seeds, olives, or soy during flare-ups? Do you eat raw foods during flare-ups? Do you eat various spices including curry, black pepper, cayenne pepper as well as onions, radishes, mustard greens, garlic and chili peppers? Do you drink under 1/2 a gallon of fluids per day?
I’m not sure what you mean when you say you are a “vegan.” David Klein did not just claim that organic veganism was the answer. He also described, in his Ph.D. thesis, that the above criteria are just some of the guidelines that should be followed when aiming to heal from C&C. With all do respect to your illness and to you (I also have Crohn’s and sympathy for others living with it), you could be a vegan and run an organic farm and still have opposed all of these guidelines and suffered from symptoms of IBD. I’m not sure because you haven’t gone into most of these issues. I’m not really asking you to answer all of these questions, but I don’t think it’s fair to ignore them to your reader if you are going to write an essay on why David Klein may be wrong. Unless you are clear and detailed about your own personal experience (like David Klein was), unless you followed David Klein’s book in its every request and gave it a sufficient amount of time (as he says to, it could be months or years) for your body to heal the inflammation, then I am not sure that it is just that you can dismiss his entire work of Natural Hygiene. He even states that if it hasn’t worked, it means something was not followed correctly.
David Klein also persistently recommended, throughout his book, that you seek a professional to help you with the healing process and with your permanent lifestyle of healthy living and remission. Did you do this as well? He also recommends sunlight and warm climate exposure (vitamin D), meditation, stress-relief exercises, 100% organic living (with no exceptions), exercise, large amounts of sleep (especially during healing), staying away from medications, proper hydration, positive affirmations and self-reflection (ref. Louise Hay), a Sabbath day of rest during the post-healing vegan diet, limiting the raw vegan high protein foods during food combining, refraining from over-eating or eating at night, chewing your food until it is a liquid paste, yoga, refraining from eating and drinking and the same time or close together, and many more things. You did not specify whether you followed any or all of these things and whether his book failed you despite of you following everything.
Also, Klein does not state that you must be 100% raw in veganism. He says 75% and higher is ideal, but not during a flare-up. Flare-ups should be treated with cooked foods that are easy on the inflamed gut.
I don’t mean to offend you in any way, I just want to make sure that the reader is not limited in the information he or she is seeking regarding healing the body from IBD through Natural Hygiene and its alternative practices. You are correct in saying everyone is different. Some people may be in advanced stages of disease, live in different climates, not have the financial stability to attempt a life-change as huge as this one, have negative thinking patterns due to a stressful emotional history, live urban lifestyles exposed to harsh pollution, and we certainly all have different genetics and different experiences in the womb. These could all be factors and there are probably many more for our sicknesses. But this could also just mean that some bodies require more time for healing than others. It does not discredit anything about raw organic veganism or any of these guidelines.
Thanks for your words and I wish you the best of luck in a healthy lifestyle.
Welcome Demi,
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. As you can see, this article has gotten lots of feedback, but we have yet to hear from someone who has healed from following the teachings of Mr. Klein. Are you saying you have been permanently cured of Crohn’s Disease by doing so? Would you like to share about that? You are very welcome to!
Mim
I am in the healing process with results I would consider to be incredible. Am I fully healed of Crohn’s? I can’t say. I have only begun my new diet a month ago and there are toxins in my body that may take years to be released. But, my Crohn’s related symptoms are gone. I have no pain, acid reflux, vomiting, blood, indigestion, diarrhea, or any other symptoms I have been struggling with throughout my time with Crohn’s or before my diagnosis. However, my response to you has nothing to do with the success of my personal story, since healing is an ongoing process; instead, it has to do with the arguments you have created and whether or not I agree with them.
Just because people who have healed from raw food veganism and the other practices that are associated with it have not written on your blog, it does not mean they do not exist, and it is, in my opinion, a poor defense of your essay. Again, it is nothing personal against you, but if what you preach is the truth–that diet has nothing to do with IBD–then surely you could better defend your argument than to present me with the counter-proposal that your essay’s feedback has only caught the attention of skeptics. Just as you claim there is no scientific proof that diet has causal impact on C&C, you have also not presented any scientific proof that diet has ZERO impact on C&C or any other illness for that matter. What a wide scope of possibilities you have dismissed in understanding how our environments can intoxicate our bodies (even if you live on an organic farm).
Also, you did not answer a single one of the many questions that I posed. With all do respect to you as a person, when you publicly release an article about health and the body, you are putting on the shoes of a scientist or health advisor, especially when you take on the challenge of opposing a Natural Healing doctor and influencing many people around the world who could be reading this blog and taking your advice. If you are willing to put on those shoes, then I must be given the freedom of speech to critique your approach. I find it irresponsible to discourage other people according to your personal experiences with Klein’s book if you have not followed his advice accurately. You may be jeopardizing a person’s career (Klein), whom of which has worked hard to build his research, you may be jeopardizing the integrity of the raw vegan community and you may be jeopardizing the health of many individuals desperately seeking help in treating their illnesses, steered in a direction against what may ultimately solve their problems. By not answering a single question I had originally asked, I am left again to wonder what lifestyle you truly lead in terms of diet and alternative therapies.
Lastly, I am not stating that Klein is the ONLY answer and neither does he. Not only does he recommend professional assistance, he encourages further reading and research and provides a great deal of websites, books and statements by other Natural Hygiene authors. I agree with him that our journey in researching healthy living should never end. Louise Hay, Paul Nison and Dr. Brian Clement are authors that have helped me personally. In Clement’s book, “Hippocrates Lifeforce: Superior Health and Longevity,” he discusses a 75% raw vegan organic diet (25% cooked vegan foods) with similar food restrictions to Klein’s diet (i.e. following the theory that diet is essential to health). He also discusses the importance of juice fasts, wheatgrass juice, colon hydrotherapy, lymphatic drainage massage, far-infrared saunas, and much more to fully remove the residue of toxins in the body. Again, I sympathize that you have had this disease for some years now, but according to his chart, even after all of these periodic cleanses and food adjustments are exercised (have you done any of them), it may take up to 1.5 years to cleanse fat deposits and calcifications from the digestive tract, 1.5 to 2 years for deep tissue and joint cleansing, 2 to 5 years for bone structure, cartilage, and further joint cleansing, 5.5 to 6 years for organ repositioning and renewal and 6 to 7 years for brain tissue and neurological cleansing. Healing takes practice, and it also takes time. Klein says the same: be patient with healing. If you are looking for scientific research, Clements gives you studies, stats blood work results of many patients he has treated. What could be more scientific than blood work? Our blood does not scam/lie to us.
Thanks for your message. Again, I appreciate your story and how it has generated conversation. We are all just looking for the same things: healthy living, joy and peace. I hope we can continue to exercise our freedom of speech respectfully.
Hi Again Demi,
I’m so glad to hear you are experience some relief of very serious symptoms. I’m afraid you’ve misunderstood my invitation to you to speak about your healing experience. You write:
“Just because people who have healed from raw food veganism and the other practices that are associated with it have not written on your blog, it does not mean they do not exist, and it is, in my opinion, a poor defense of your essay.”
I actually wasn’t attempting to defend anything – I was inviting you to share your story if you felt that would present a different viewpoint than the ones left here so far on this blog by readers. As you can see, we are happy to publish anyone’s opinion in our comments, provided it is civil.
We have not received any positive remarks regarding Mr. Klein’s book and I was giving you the chance to leave some if you cared to.
It sounds as if you are very committed to the steps you are taking towards improved health and we applaud that. Sincerely wishing you good luck and good health in the months and years ahead, Demi.
Mim
Thank you for yet another insightful article. In response: yes, yes, yes. There is nothing healthier than common sense. Think. Question. Feel. A wonderful message. While it is quite possible to become “addicted” to unhealthy eating or mistakenly consume common foods which don’t agree with one’s body good ‘ol trial and error can solve most short- to mid-term issues solvable by diet. Relying on someone else for that cannot reliably provide the same results. If a specific diet works for someone, great, but I agree one must consider the ethics and use common sense when determining what “works”. In my recent research of the raw food diet I, too, found little of either. Where there is no solid evidence of help or harm, I shall also continue eating as I do, experimenting and finding what is pleasing to my body and conscience. I’m currently trying an elimination type diet in an attempt at a more thorough experiment (I stumbled on the raw food diet looking for appropriate recipes). Thanks to efforts like this blog, there are plenty of recipes and ideas out there to satisfy. Variety is key – we understand so little of the complex (eco?)system that makes up our bodies…and I think my body quite a bit smarter than I am about what to do with natural foods.
Oh, the bit about the person in Scandinavia was funny – I live in interior Alaska and while I almost never crave meat I doubt I’d stop craving my cold weather foods no matter how long I abstained. While I can cure most cravings by figuring out what my mind or body really needs (B12, anyone?) I doubt I’d ever “cure” craving a hot meal in cold weather…or ethical fat. Ha!
One would think organic fruits & veggies impossible up here, but green leafy plants go wild with the long sunlight hours, there’s salmon of course, and the wild berries..! It seems that if one can grow and catch a healthy diet here, one can do so most anywhere. In comparison, I finally came to the conclusion that a raw food diet could not possibly “work” for me, personally. Not balancing time, nutrition, expenses, comfort, and peace of mind. It would also, most likely, be terribly unhealthy as I was born with hypoglycemia (low blood sugar). Imagine the horrors of a mostly-locally-grown raw food diabetic diet!
A thought on any new diet – you can use nutritiondata.com to input a weeks worth of estimated foods and see what the nutrition label would look like (make the serving size 1/7th of the “recipe” for [daily] RDA values). It can provide great insight and guidance from well-researched data so long as you retain aforementioned common sense (think eggs – high in cholesterol but proven not to raise it like one would think).
I believe, like Potato, Michelle, and Aem, I came here for the rice milk recipe and stayed for the writings. Thank you yet again. Your responses are thoughtful and your posts informative and inspiring.
Thank you so much for your thoughtful comments, Thankful Reader.
I am curious as to whether you were born in Alaska? It’s interesting to read about your experiences with food there and I wondered if you were born and raised there or have learned to eat well as a newcomer. Would love to know.
Mim
Thank you for your response!
Like most Alaskans, I was not born here. I came on vacation about eight years ago and never left! Much of what you write about the native cultures of the Americas I can directly apply to what I see up here. Food-wise it isn’t all whale blubber and berries, though there are certainly enough berries. For me, it is a truly awe-inspiring thing to see a literal carpet of ground cranberries (lingonberries) big enough to lay on, with not a half-inch free of the beautiful, glossy berries. There are a lot of wild edibles, many are variants of those in the western US mountains (the Rockies will never stop feeling a bit like home). Because subsistence living is more common up here (the number of laws protecting such seems the antithesis of what I see out of CA), learning is easier and foraging looked at less askance. People are also just plain kind (not necessarily nice) and often happy to share knowledge.
There is a farmers market in Fairbanks that helps things, and a number of world records for giant cole type veggies were set in Alaska (think 70lb cabbages). Winter is another story, and a very long winter it is. Good thing I like sauerkraut and dried cranberries, eh?
Thank you again. If you have any questions I’d be happy to oblige.
Hi Thankful Reader,
What a terrific reply to my question. Thank you. The cabbages sounds fantastic! I am curious about people moving to more northern climes and the adjustments that are necessary – particularly for vegans or vegetarians. From your comment, am I right in thinking that you grew up in the Rocky Mountains? Or, you mention California? How was the transition for you in terms of climate, light etc? What were the major differences? I’m really interested.
Mim
I first found this site looking for a rice milk recipe and was revisiting it today. Found this post. Totally agree with your thoughts on the diet.
And even though this is an old post, I really wanted to respond for a different reason. I don’t know if you are still struggling with your health, and I’m sure you have tried umpteen solutions and tests and diets, but, well, I figured I’d add in what I knew, in case it might be of some use.
I do not have Crohn’s Disease but rather Celiac Disease. However, I’m one of the minority among Celiacs who react to lower levels of gluten, including the amount allowed in processed gluten free foods, so I have to make all my own food now, essentially. I react to such low levels that I, too, frequently have problems absorbing nutrients from reacting so frequently.
Fairly soon after I went gluten free, I continually felt bad, reacting to foods and fumes and chemicals and just everything, it seemed. Constantly unhealthy, dizzy, achy, could never quite seem to get completely better or figure it out. Different diets didn’t help, it was awful.
I may have found the answer and so that’s what I’m passing along, as it might apply to someone with Crohn’s Disease.
Have you ever looked at Molybdenum, by any chance? It’s a trace element and is needed to make Molybdenum cofacter. This is needed for our body to create certain enzymes (like sulfite oxidase) that our bodies use to deal with various substances. Sulfites are one (in chemicals and foods and all sorts of fun stuff). Aldehydes are another (often scent components).
According to the medical community, since Molybdenum is needed in such small amounts, it should be impossible to be deficient in it for a ‘healthy individual.’ Which people such as yourself and me actually aren’t, yes? There are only 2 known cases of a deficiency happening, one in someone with Crohn’s disease on a liquid diet, as I recall.
There is no accurate test for the deficiency anyway, because the blood test looks for toxicity levels and the minimum requirement isn’t standardized.
All that said, this seems to be a problem for me. I get intestinal inflammation from a few foods. The absorption of molybdenum is in the proximal jejunum, so if one’s inflammation happens to be in that area (which mine is), it might theoretically be possible to have problems absorbing this.
I have noticed that when I manage to avoid all my allergens and my inflammation goes down, I stop reacting to so many chemicals and scents. I feel less dizzy and sick all the time. I stop reacting as much to sulfites, period (which are also a component of car exhaust, so it’s really noticeable).
I am allergic to a component in molybdenum supplements, so I have never attempted these, but I have spoken to some folks who have had improvement on taking the supplements. One gentleman does a blind taste test of sulfite solutions of measurable ppm to have a more concrete measurement of whether he really IS improving, and has had the positive effects confirmed. At least to his satisfaction.
I know this may have nothing whatsoever to do with your own issues, but since you likely have absorption issues, and this is something that I have yet to find a doctor discussing, I thought I would pass it along. It’s a lot of guesswork, honestly, because since this doesn’t ‘exist’ and has no truly reliable test, then it isn’t being studied.
I think there may be a urine test to see if there are excess sulfites in the urine, which can indicate lowered ability to process sulfites, but you have to be eating them or coming into contact with them in high enough amounts for that to work, and as you make so much of your own food, I don’t know if that would be a valid test.
Just…wishing you good luck with your health, from someone who struggles as well.
Hi Mim
Have you heard about Professor John Hermon-Taylor of Saint George’s, University and his decade of research into the connection between Crohn’s and MAP? If he is correct in stating that Crohn’s is caused solely by MAP then the disease is indeed diet related in that most people become infected by MAP found in cow’s milk (unless you happen to live in close proximity to livestock?) This would also explain the rise of Crohn’s in China as cow’s milk increasingly finds its way into the diet where once it was absent.
Here is a youtube link explaining the theory and reseach:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pYuf5rnnQo
Hi Matthew,
How kind of you to take the time to mention that. I actually spoke with a Canadian professor several years back who had published some research on MAP. I thought it was very interesting, and decided to write to him, as being a vegan with Crohn’s, I had not consumed dairy products in several decades. I didn’t know if he would have had the chance to speak to anyone in exactly my scenario (probably not thousands of longtime vegans with Crohn’s Disease out there, right?). I am unable to recall his name, unfortunately, but he shared with me that research was indicating that this could also be passed through contaminated water, as you’ve mentioned. So, if this were true, then being vegan wouldn’t offer any protection at all, given that any human drinking water could potentially contract the disease. There are certainly very striking parallels between the bovine and human conditions. I hope further research will yield clues to a cure, whether this turns out to be the true culprit in Crohn’s or not.
Thank you, so very much, for taking the time to share what you’ve learned and the video link. Please, come again.
Mim
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