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	<title>Comments on: Lytton Pomo Land In Windsor And The Obscenity Of Californian Ignorance</title>
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		<title>By: conquest</title>
		<link>http://www.veganreader.com/2009/11/15/lytton-pomo-land-windsor-california/comment-page-1/#comment-4568</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 04:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>purely from economic and historical perspective it does not make sense to isolate one&#039;s self.   Economics or the ability to feed your family come from enterprise. so far the isolation of the reservations have yield a freakish weak economy and misery. We&#039;ve had to give into the idiotic monopoly of gambling to solve an isolation problem. you can see that it took a manipulation of the mind to resurrect the ghosts of the past to given to the absurd. For some reason we relive the past and give in to the notions that indians for some reason are subhuman. incapable of understanding and thriving in a fertile lands of freedom. As for me if your conquered reinvent your self. and integrate into a society. Clearly do you want to conquer the indians twice?  a sovereign government does not let a another carve holes within its soul. as the indian gets more power more it becomes clear that that new battles need to be won.  clearly we have a past but integrated we are stronger.  Divide us and the union weakens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>purely from economic and historical perspective it does not make sense to isolate one&#8217;s self.   Economics or the ability to feed your family come from enterprise. so far the isolation of the reservations have yield a freakish weak economy and misery. We&#8217;ve had to give into the idiotic monopoly of gambling to solve an isolation problem. you can see that it took a manipulation of the mind to resurrect the ghosts of the past to given to the absurd. For some reason we relive the past and give in to the notions that indians for some reason are subhuman. incapable of understanding and thriving in a fertile lands of freedom. As for me if your conquered reinvent your self. and integrate into a society. Clearly do you want to conquer the indians twice?  a sovereign government does not let a another carve holes within its soul. as the indian gets more power more it becomes clear that that new battles need to be won.  clearly we have a past but integrated we are stronger.  Divide us and the union weakens.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.veganreader.com/2009/11/15/lytton-pomo-land-windsor-california/comment-page-1/#comment-4225</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome SayWhat,
We really appreciate you sharing your take on this, and respect your views.
We agree with you that it&#039;s next to impossible to conceive of atonement being made for ancient wrongs amongst ancestors. For example, what modern American is having a fight along the lines of - hey, your people held mine in slavery back in Ancient Sumer thousands of years ago. So, we do understand that this issue can be confusing.

The difference for me, here, is that modern Native Americans are the descendants of people whose land was stolen and whose families were murdered just a couple of generations ago. This is not ancient history and people are still very much alive whose lives were devastated by the American government and citizenry. It is my personal opinion that the United States is still doing business illegally on Native American land and that, yes, when it comes to who lives where, Indians are above the law, because the law does not refer to them. It refers to non-Indian residents. Clearly, you disagree with this, as would many people, but this is my personal belief, and the opinion from which I penned the above article. 

I think laws governing Indigenous Peoples should be made by Indigenous governments - not by the town councils living under the American government. I see these as two very different entities and that Indians have first dibs. 

Thank you for sharing your views. We appreciate the time you took to comment.
Mim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome SayWhat,<br />
We really appreciate you sharing your take on this, and respect your views.<br />
We agree with you that it&#8217;s next to impossible to conceive of atonement being made for ancient wrongs amongst ancestors. For example, what modern American is having a fight along the lines of &#8211; hey, your people held mine in slavery back in Ancient Sumer thousands of years ago. So, we do understand that this issue can be confusing.</p>
<p>The difference for me, here, is that modern Native Americans are the descendants of people whose land was stolen and whose families were murdered just a couple of generations ago. This is not ancient history and people are still very much alive whose lives were devastated by the American government and citizenry. It is my personal opinion that the United States is still doing business illegally on Native American land and that, yes, when it comes to who lives where, Indians are above the law, because the law does not refer to them. It refers to non-Indian residents. Clearly, you disagree with this, as would many people, but this is my personal belief, and the opinion from which I penned the above article. </p>
<p>I think laws governing Indigenous Peoples should be made by Indigenous governments &#8211; not by the town councils living under the American government. I see these as two very different entities and that Indians have first dibs. </p>
<p>Thank you for sharing your views. We appreciate the time you took to comment.<br />
Mim</p>
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		<title>By: saywhat</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...your sense of your own importance in the grand scheme of things is disturbingly distorted.&quot;

By your own logic, anyone who&#039;s ancestors have ever been wronged by someone else at some point in history is justified in ignoring the current rule of law. 

I have Choctaw blood flowing through my veins, so I have the right to ignore the laws of Louisiana &amp; Mississippi where my ancestors&#039; land was taken?  Not long before that, my ancestors living on the Canary Islands were forcibly rounded up &amp; sent to colonize Spain&#039;s holdings in North America.  So under your logic, I have the right to ignore the laws of both Spain &amp; the Canary Islands, right?  My forefathers&#039; Confederate government was ruthlessly put down by Union soldiers, so I can ignore Yankee laws too?

Sounds like a recipe for anarchy to me &amp; a misguided extension of a corrosive line of thinking that justifies one group trampling on the rights of another for the sake of advancement.

That&#039;s what the Lytton Band of Pomo Indians wants, right...to ignore current day laws because their ancestors were wronged?  
Otherwise there is no need to seek reservation status for land they legally own and can legally develop.

The good citizens of Windsor have nothing against any neighbors who comply with the same laws as everyone else in our community &amp; the good people of the Lytton Band of Pomo Indians have plenty of options to develop this or other lands within the rule of law.

&quot;People are capable of compassion and right behavior…we can work to change ignorance and hatred into intelligence and respect.&quot;

Where is LBPI&#039;s sense of compassion &amp; right behavior when for the sake of their 275 tribal members, they propose taking rights away from the 20,000 citizens of Windsor &amp; the 300 citizens who have lived for a generation directly adjacent to the land proposed for a reservation?  Where is the intelligence &amp; respect in these actions??

Your compassion for those who&#039;s ancestors have been wronged is admirable, but your proposed solution is either based on flawed logic where two wrongs make a right or it holds LBPI interests above all others including current citizens and other groups whose ancestors have been wronged.  

Can&#039;t you and the LBPI be a bit more forward thinking than that &amp; propose a solution that does not continue the cycle of trading one group&#039;s rights for another?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;your sense of your own importance in the grand scheme of things is disturbingly distorted.&#8221;</p>
<p>By your own logic, anyone who&#8217;s ancestors have ever been wronged by someone else at some point in history is justified in ignoring the current rule of law. </p>
<p>I have Choctaw blood flowing through my veins, so I have the right to ignore the laws of Louisiana &amp; Mississippi where my ancestors&#8217; land was taken?  Not long before that, my ancestors living on the Canary Islands were forcibly rounded up &amp; sent to colonize Spain&#8217;s holdings in North America.  So under your logic, I have the right to ignore the laws of both Spain &amp; the Canary Islands, right?  My forefathers&#8217; Confederate government was ruthlessly put down by Union soldiers, so I can ignore Yankee laws too?</p>
<p>Sounds like a recipe for anarchy to me &amp; a misguided extension of a corrosive line of thinking that justifies one group trampling on the rights of another for the sake of advancement.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what the Lytton Band of Pomo Indians wants, right&#8230;to ignore current day laws because their ancestors were wronged?<br />
Otherwise there is no need to seek reservation status for land they legally own and can legally develop.</p>
<p>The good citizens of Windsor have nothing against any neighbors who comply with the same laws as everyone else in our community &amp; the good people of the Lytton Band of Pomo Indians have plenty of options to develop this or other lands within the rule of law.</p>
<p>&#8220;People are capable of compassion and right behavior…we can work to change ignorance and hatred into intelligence and respect.&#8221;</p>
<p>Where is LBPI&#8217;s sense of compassion &amp; right behavior when for the sake of their 275 tribal members, they propose taking rights away from the 20,000 citizens of Windsor &amp; the 300 citizens who have lived for a generation directly adjacent to the land proposed for a reservation?  Where is the intelligence &amp; respect in these actions??</p>
<p>Your compassion for those who&#8217;s ancestors have been wronged is admirable, but your proposed solution is either based on flawed logic where two wrongs make a right or it holds LBPI interests above all others including current citizens and other groups whose ancestors have been wronged.  </p>
<p>Can&#8217;t you and the LBPI be a bit more forward thinking than that &amp; propose a solution that does not continue the cycle of trading one group&#8217;s rights for another?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome, Alemmer,
Thank you so much for your kind words about this article. I really appreciate them, and I am always hoping that people in California, and all states, will become educated about the true story of America. People are capable of compassion and right behavior...we can work to change ignorance and hatred into intelligence and respect. Thank you for taking the time to comment.
Mim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome, Alemmer,<br />
Thank you so much for your kind words about this article. I really appreciate them, and I am always hoping that people in California, and all states, will become educated about the true story of America. People are capable of compassion and right behavior&#8230;we can work to change ignorance and hatred into intelligence and respect. Thank you for taking the time to comment.<br />
Mim</p>
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		<title>By: alemmer</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 01:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was amazing thank you,as a Mixed blood Choctaw you represented my past and the past of my relatives,Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was amazing thank you,as a Mixed blood Choctaw you represented my past and the past of my relatives,Thank you</p>
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