Comments on: Response To Western Farm Press’ Incorrect and Inhumane LBAM Article http://www.veganreader.com/2008/11/19/response-to-western-farm-press-incorrect-and-inhumane-lbam-article/ Thoughtful Reading For A Compassionate Planet Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:55:23 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: admin http://www.veganreader.com/2008/11/19/response-to-western-farm-press-incorrect-and-inhumane-lbam-article/comment-page-1/#comment-1348 admin Sun, 21 Dec 2008 03:13:35 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=179#comment-1348 Hi Donna, Thanks for the update on this. I hate to say this about another human being, but I'm afraid the author is almost beyond hope. If it doesn't occur to him that the reason his inbox filled up with letters from people who were injured by the spraying is because those people actually were injured...if he chooses to conclude that his inbox was drowned in angry letters because people have too much time on their hands...well, I don't think we can really expect much in the way of intelligence from him. It makes me sad to say that, but after reading his second article, filled with quotes from his sickened and damaged neighbors, and understanding that he is basically continuing to scoff at their injury, I'm afraid he is really an unfortunate man. Mim Hi Donna,
Thanks for the update on this. I hate to say this about another human being, but I’m afraid the author is almost beyond hope. If it doesn’t occur to him that the reason his inbox filled up with letters from people who were injured by the spraying is because those people actually were injured…if he chooses to conclude that his inbox was drowned in angry letters because people have too much time on their hands…well, I don’t think we can really expect much in the way of intelligence from him.

It makes me sad to say that, but after reading his second article, filled with quotes from his sickened and damaged neighbors, and understanding that he is basically continuing to scoff at their injury, I’m afraid he is really an unfortunate man.

Mim

]]> By: donna kuhn http://www.veganreader.com/2008/11/19/response-to-western-farm-press-incorrect-and-inhumane-lbam-article/comment-page-1/#comment-1336 donna kuhn Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:47:21 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=179#comment-1336 hi mim, in case u havent read his latest:http://westernfarmpress.com/news/cline-column-1209/ donna hi mim,

in case u havent read his latest:http://westernfarmpress.com/news/cline-column-1209/

donna

]]> By: admin http://www.veganreader.com/2008/11/19/response-to-western-farm-press-incorrect-and-inhumane-lbam-article/comment-page-1/#comment-1325 admin Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:27:56 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=179#comment-1325 Hi Donna, Yes, I remember seeing the apple/tomato article. I think it gave people a few nervous laughs in the midst of their distress, and certainly showed everyone that anything published by the forces behind the LBAM spraying needed to be regarded with extra scrutiny. Mim Hi Donna,
Yes, I remember seeing the apple/tomato article. I think it gave people a few nervous laughs in the midst of their distress, and certainly showed everyone that anything published by the forces behind the LBAM spraying needed to be regarded with extra scrutiny.

Mim

]]> By: admin http://www.veganreader.com/2008/11/19/response-to-western-farm-press-incorrect-and-inhumane-lbam-article/comment-page-1/#comment-1324 admin Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:22:21 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=179#comment-1324 Welcome, Mike, I couldn't agree with you more. And, I was very confused by Mr. Cline's denial of having authored that article. It can be very hard for people of good faith to have the experience of saying, 'this has been hurtful to me,' and to receive a response that says, 'I don't believe you and I don't care.' I can only hope that if I hurt someone, and they told me so, I would be human enough to listen to them and see what I could do to help them. Your comment has pointed out so many of the relevant facts of this situation, Mike. I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you for taking the time to comment here. It's always a blessing to hear from you. Mim Welcome, Mike,
I couldn’t agree with you more. And, I was very confused by Mr. Cline’s denial of having authored that article.

It can be very hard for people of good faith to have the experience of saying, ‘this has been hurtful to me,’ and to receive a response that says, ‘I don’t believe you and I don’t care.’

I can only hope that if I hurt someone, and they told me so, I would be human enough to listen to them and see what I could do to help them.

Your comment has pointed out so many of the relevant facts of this situation, Mike. I couldn’t have said it better myself. Thank you for taking the time to comment here. It’s always a blessing to hear from you.
Mim

]]> By: admin http://www.veganreader.com/2008/11/19/response-to-western-farm-press-incorrect-and-inhumane-lbam-article/comment-page-1/#comment-1323 admin Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:14:51 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=179#comment-1323 Greetings, Jan, I have my doubts that Western Farm Press would print my response as it presents facts that are so contrary to the opinions of their authors. I agree with you, though, that communicating with farmers is very important. We are a farming family, ourselves, and are all too aware of how pesticides are sold as 'necessary' to folks like us. I cannot look at a seed catalog without being exposed to advertising for pesticides of all kinds. It is disheartening. We are only small farmers, but commercial growers are hit even harder with messengers from the ag department and chemical companies who try to terrify them into thinking conventional farming practices are the only choice. When, of course, the truth is that organic/biodynamic farming is really the only right choice for our health and our planet. The difficulty is, organic/biodynamic farmers do not spend thousands a year on chemicals. Rather we spend all our money on seeds, tools and educational materials. No profit for big ag in that, so they will continue to keep trying to push their poisons with fear-mongering tactics. Any farmer who can see through this trick and farm in the time-honored way is a smart farmer! Thanks for taking the time to comment. Greetings, Jan,
I have my doubts that Western Farm Press would print my response as it presents facts that are so contrary to the opinions of their authors. I agree with you, though, that communicating with farmers is very important. We are a farming family, ourselves, and are all too aware of how pesticides are sold as ‘necessary’ to folks like us. I cannot look at a seed catalog without being exposed to advertising for pesticides of all kinds. It is disheartening.

We are only small farmers, but commercial growers are hit even harder with messengers from the ag department and chemical companies who try to terrify them into thinking conventional farming practices are the only choice. When, of course, the truth is that organic/biodynamic farming is really the only right choice for our health and our planet.

The difficulty is, organic/biodynamic farmers do not spend thousands a year on chemicals. Rather we spend all our money on seeds, tools and educational materials. No profit for big ag in that, so they will continue to keep trying to push their poisons with fear-mongering tactics.

Any farmer who can see through this trick and farm in the time-honored way is a smart farmer!

Thanks for taking the time to comment.

]]> By: mike lynberg http://www.veganreader.com/2008/11/19/response-to-western-farm-press-incorrect-and-inhumane-lbam-article/comment-page-1/#comment-1322 mike lynberg Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:17:07 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=179#comment-1322 Mim, thank you for trying your best to communicate with Mr. Cline in a civil and reasonable way. The fact that he denies writing the article that has his name on it is bizarre and makes one wonder if he's "all there." Plus his nasty tone and lack of civility are discrediting, as is his disrespect for those who got sick and for the millions of people who didn’t want their neighborhoods to be crop-dusted with synthetic pheromones and a variety of inert but potentially dangerous chemicals (in the opinion of medical doctors). Likewise, the fact he claims the synthetic pheromones sprayed on hundreds of millions of Californians were not pesticides, when that is how EPA classifies them, is alarming. And, of course, it's troubling that he claims LBAM has caused widespread damage when CDFA could produce no evidence of damage in two California courts, and when New Zealand and Australia consider LBAM a minor pest. In summary, Mr. Cline’s own writing positions him as careless and disrespectful, and his response to you betrays his unwillingness to openly pursue the truth for the sake of his publication's readers and California citizens at large. Sad for everyone involved, including him. - Mike Lynberg Mim, thank you for trying your best to communicate with Mr. Cline in a civil and reasonable way. The fact that he denies writing the article that has his name on it is bizarre and makes one wonder if he’s “all there.” Plus his nasty tone and lack of civility are discrediting, as is his disrespect for those who got sick and for the millions of people who didn’t want their neighborhoods to be crop-dusted with synthetic pheromones and a variety of inert but potentially dangerous chemicals (in the opinion of medical doctors). Likewise, the fact he claims the synthetic pheromones sprayed on hundreds of millions of Californians were not pesticides, when that is how EPA classifies them, is alarming. And, of course, it’s troubling that he claims LBAM has caused widespread damage when CDFA could produce no evidence of damage in two California courts, and when New Zealand and Australia consider LBAM a minor pest. In summary, Mr. Cline’s own writing positions him as careless and disrespectful, and his response to you betrays his unwillingness to openly pursue the truth for the sake of his publication’s readers and California citizens at large. Sad for everyone involved, including him.

- Mike Lynberg

]]> By: jan http://www.veganreader.com/2008/11/19/response-to-western-farm-press-incorrect-and-inhumane-lbam-article/comment-page-1/#comment-1321 jan Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:55:05 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=179#comment-1321 Dear Mim, I hope it is possible to get your letter published in the Western Farm Press. It really does no good to write to a propaganda writer like Mr. Cline. He's done his job of spreading propaganda and will continue to write unscientific, abusive propaganda columns. Your writing must reach the farming audience to reach out. Has the farming community, the readers of Western Farm Press printed your response? Dear Mim, I hope it is possible to get your letter published in the Western Farm Press. It really does no good to write to a propaganda writer like Mr. Cline. He’s done his job of spreading propaganda and will continue to write unscientific, abusive propaganda columns. Your writing must reach the farming audience to reach out. Has the farming community, the readers of Western Farm Press printed your response?

]]> By: donna kuhn http://www.veganreader.com/2008/11/19/response-to-western-farm-press-incorrect-and-inhumane-lbam-article/comment-page-1/#comment-1318 donna kuhn Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:12:12 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=179#comment-1318 hi mim, have you seen the article where they show damage to an apple which is clearly a tomato?! they seem to like serving emotional abuse before poison. yesterday there was an article saying the lbam liked to live in "nice places." well, so do i but i am still feeling forced to leave if they come back here to do anything at all. donna hi mim,

have you seen the article where they show damage to an apple which is clearly a tomato?! they seem to like serving emotional abuse before poison. yesterday there was an article saying the lbam liked to live in “nice places.” well, so do i but i am still feeling forced to leave if they come back here to do anything at all.

donna

]]> By: admin http://www.veganreader.com/2008/11/19/response-to-western-farm-press-incorrect-and-inhumane-lbam-article/comment-page-1/#comment-1317 admin Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:04:13 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=179#comment-1317 Hi Donna, It's so good to see you. Yes, I had seen that article, but thank you for linking to it. It seems that printing outright lies may be a habitual tactic of this website. The article you've referenced contains the following statement: "So far it has been isolated along California’s coast. It has heavily damaged forest and landscape plants and has been found in grapes and berries in commercial agriculture." Every Californian with whom I've spoken regarding that article said, "Where is the damage, exactly. Show us?" Because there is no damage, there is nothing to show, and that statement is simply a lie. Keep writing to these publications, if only to let them know you're nobody's fool. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Mim Hi Donna,
It’s so good to see you.

Yes, I had seen that article, but thank you for linking to it. It seems that printing outright lies may be a habitual tactic of this website. The article you’ve referenced contains the following statement:

“So far it has been isolated along California’s coast. It has heavily damaged forest and landscape plants and has been found in grapes and berries in commercial agriculture.”

Every Californian with whom I’ve spoken regarding that article said, “Where is the damage, exactly. Show us?”

Because there is no damage, there is nothing to show, and that statement is simply a lie.

Keep writing to these publications, if only to let them know you’re nobody’s fool.

Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Mim

]]> By: admin http://www.veganreader.com/2008/11/19/response-to-western-farm-press-incorrect-and-inhumane-lbam-article/comment-page-1/#comment-1316 admin Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:58:58 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=179#comment-1316 Greetings, Mary Anne, It's lovely to see you, as always, and it was families just like yours I was thinking of while reading Mr. Cline's insensitive and inaccurate article. Like your family, ours has suffered permanent damage from pesticide exposure. It is hurtful to read such ignorant coverage of so painful an issue, and I am really glad that, as the article you linked to shows, the public is continuing to become educated about this so that they cannot be fooled by the profit-focused claims issued by people like Mr. Cline. Thank you for taking the time to comment, and I'm so glad everyone who feels called to is writing to this author and telling him our stories. Mim Greetings, Mary Anne,
It’s lovely to see you, as always, and it was families just like yours I was thinking of while reading Mr. Cline’s insensitive and inaccurate article. Like your family, ours has suffered permanent damage from pesticide exposure. It is hurtful to read such ignorant coverage of so painful an issue, and I am really glad that, as the article you linked to shows, the public is continuing to become educated about this so that they cannot be fooled by the profit-focused claims issued by people like Mr. Cline.

Thank you for taking the time to comment, and I’m so glad everyone who feels called to is writing to this author and telling him our stories.

Mim

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