Comments on: California Proposition 2 – What Your Vote Really Means http://www.veganreader.com/2008/09/13/california-proposition-2-what-your-vote-really-means/ Thoughtful Reading For A Compassionate Planet Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:55:23 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Elle Guy http://www.veganreader.com/2008/09/13/california-proposition-2-what-your-vote-really-means/comment-page-1/#comment-1284 Elle Guy Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:32:53 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=170#comment-1284 Being an agricultural county should not be synonymous to cruelty to animals, but in Sonoma County it may be. How can we forget 1998 Propositions 4 and 6 and the agricultural voice against these two propositions seeking humane treatment for animals? In 2004, Petaluma City Council passed an ordinance drafted by Petaluma Animal Shelter management and park docents banning cats from most areas of the City and prohibiting volunteers from feeding or taking care of these homeless cats. They have been trapping and killing cats by the hundreds each year ever since. Where else but in Sonoma County can this be tolerated? Please support Proposition 2 and raise your voice against cruelty to animals. "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi www.petalumaferalcats.com Being an agricultural county should not be synonymous to cruelty to animals, but in Sonoma County it may be. How can we forget 1998 Propositions 4 and 6 and the agricultural voice against these two propositions seeking humane treatment for animals?

In 2004, Petaluma City Council passed an ordinance drafted by Petaluma Animal Shelter management and park docents banning cats from most areas of the City and prohibiting volunteers from feeding or taking care of these homeless cats. They have been trapping and killing cats by the hundreds each year ever since. Where else but in Sonoma County can this be tolerated?

Please support Proposition 2 and raise your voice against cruelty to animals.

“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated.” Mohandas Gandhi
http://www.petalumaferalcats.com

]]> By: admin http://www.veganreader.com/2008/09/13/california-proposition-2-what-your-vote-really-means/comment-page-1/#comment-1245 admin Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:32:59 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=170#comment-1245 Welcome to VeganReader RhinoKitty, I appreciate your view point on this. For some people, reading 'yes' or 'no' is enough. My point here, however, is that simply saying 'yes' doesn't really cover my feelings on this issue. The question, in my opinion, is not whether farm animals should be allowed to use their limbs, but whether anyone can support such a system in the first place, once they understand what they are supporting. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Welcome to VeganReader RhinoKitty,

I appreciate your view point on this. For some people, reading ‘yes’ or ‘no’ is enough. My point here, however, is that simply saying ‘yes’ doesn’t really cover my feelings on this issue. The question, in my opinion, is not whether farm animals should be allowed to use their limbs, but whether anyone can support such a system in the first place, once they understand what they are supporting.

Thanks for taking the time to comment.

]]> By: rhinokitty http://www.veganreader.com/2008/09/13/california-proposition-2-what-your-vote-really-means/comment-page-1/#comment-1244 rhinokitty Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:41:10 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=170#comment-1244 It would be really nice if you put in big bold print at the top: YES ON PROP 2 I don't need the philosophical debate, I just want to know what line to connect on this absentee ballot. Ok, I get it now--but don't make me think!! It would be really nice if you put in big bold print at the top:

YES ON PROP 2

I don’t need the philosophical debate, I just want to know what line to connect on this absentee ballot. Ok, I get it now–but don’t make me think!!

]]> By: admin http://www.veganreader.com/2008/09/13/california-proposition-2-what-your-vote-really-means/comment-page-1/#comment-1221 admin Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:55:06 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=170#comment-1221 Hi Solstice, You are never rude, and I understood what you meant, don't worry. Yes, this is a heartbreaking situation. I'm hoping that this article ranking well will help Californians look at Prop 2 and beyond, and really search their hearts. I share your tears, thinking about this, and am thankful for your loving heart. Mim Hi Solstice,
You are never rude, and I understood what you meant, don’t worry.

Yes, this is a heartbreaking situation. I’m hoping that this article ranking well will help Californians look at Prop 2 and beyond, and really search their hearts. I share your tears, thinking about this, and am thankful for your loving heart.

Mim

]]> By: Solstice http://www.veganreader.com/2008/09/13/california-proposition-2-what-your-vote-really-means/comment-page-1/#comment-1219 Solstice Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:53:34 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=170#comment-1219 sorry, that sounded very rude. i did not mean that you, the author of that considerate article, should do something about NAIS, as it is very likely that you already do so. i could not see or think clearly because i was in tears over the abuse and suffering of factory farm animals, and was angry too, that only now are people taking action on their ability to stand or lie down extend their limbs somewhat normally. thank you so much for telling us. sorry, that sounded very rude. i did not mean that you, the author of that considerate article, should do something about NAIS, as it is very likely that you already do so.
i could not see or think clearly because i was in tears over the abuse and suffering of factory farm animals, and was angry too, that only now are people taking action on their ability to stand or lie down extend their limbs somewhat normally.
thank you so much for telling us.

]]> By: Solstice http://www.veganreader.com/2008/09/13/california-proposition-2-what-your-vote-really-means/comment-page-1/#comment-1216 Solstice Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:28:20 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=170#comment-1216 i cant stop the tears.thank you for explaining these tortures so people realize why we must all stop contributing to the horrors, and just eat vegtables. those happy cow ads are lies from the agriculture criminals, and anyone thinking that animals arent being tortured should go to the so calld "farms" and see for themselves. somthing else the usda is up to is NAIS,national animal identification system, which intends to label the animals with RFID idntification. radio frequency identification. microchips. this system will not stop or slow animal disease, as its promoters claim, but it will make things impossible for our smaller farmers, and will prevent 4H kids, horse lovers and animal lovers in general, from keeping their animal companions unless they first register their land,install RFID identifiction in their animal, and then report each animal activity,including the egg laying chickens. this will be valuable for RFID database companies and for corporate agriculture. (the factory farmers.) other farmers will have to quit, leaving only cloned, genetically modified and chemically treated so called food for the meat eaters. you will wonder why i care, since i eat only vegs, fruit, seeds and nuts. it's because the next thing will be having to register our land to grow our own gardens. it's also because microchips have been shown to cause cancer, and it would add to the suffering. look these up and do something about it. i cant stop the tears.thank you for explaining these tortures so people realize why we must all stop contributing to the horrors, and just eat vegtables.
those happy cow ads are lies from the agriculture criminals, and anyone thinking that animals arent being tortured should go to the so calld “farms” and see for themselves.
somthing else the usda is up to is NAIS,national animal identification system, which intends to label the animals with RFID idntification. radio frequency identification. microchips.
this system will not stop or slow animal disease, as its promoters claim, but it will make things impossible for our smaller farmers, and will prevent 4H kids, horse lovers and animal lovers in general, from keeping their animal companions unless they first register their land,install RFID identifiction in their animal, and then report each animal activity,including the egg laying chickens.
this will be valuable for RFID database companies and for corporate agriculture. (the factory farmers.) other farmers will have to quit, leaving only cloned, genetically modified and chemically treated so called food for the meat eaters.
you will wonder why i care, since i eat only vegs, fruit, seeds and nuts. it’s because the next thing will be having to register our land to grow our own gardens. it’s also because microchips have been shown to cause cancer, and it would add to the suffering. look these up and do something about it.

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