Comments on: A Deadly Policy of Silence - LBAM Spray and the USA http://www.veganreader.com/2008/05/25/a-deadly-policy-of-silence-lbam-spray-and-the-usa/ Just another WordPress weblog Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:27:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: admin http://www.veganreader.com/2008/05/25/a-deadly-policy-of-silence-lbam-spray-and-the-usa/#comment-703 admin Thu, 29 May 2008 04:43:16 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=130#comment-703 Oh - I am foolish. You were quoting from elsewhere. See, I've got a stuffy head today :) Mim Oh - I am foolish. You were quoting from elsewhere. See, I’ve got a stuffy head today :)
Mim

]]> By: admin http://www.veganreader.com/2008/05/25/a-deadly-policy-of-silence-lbam-spray-and-the-usa/#comment-702 admin Thu, 29 May 2008 04:40:15 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=130#comment-702 Donna, I really appreciate you weighing in on this. It has been very confusing. But now I'm afraid I'm more confused. The Monterey lawsuit already happened. Your comment almost sounds like you are saying this will happen in future. I'm sorry...I must be misunderstanding what you are saying. I've got a cold today! Adding to the confusion is that CDFA's website says they intend to start aerially spraying the Central Coast August 17th...in other words, break the ruling of the court, which I'm assuming would be held as a criminal act. On the other hand, it might mean they are certain they will overturn the ruling and spray without hindrance. Mim Donna, I really appreciate you weighing in on this. It has been very confusing. But now I’m afraid I’m more confused. The Monterey lawsuit already happened. Your comment almost sounds like you are saying this will happen in future. I’m sorry…I must be misunderstanding what you are saying. I’ve got a cold today!

Adding to the confusion is that CDFA’s website says they intend to start aerially spraying the Central Coast August 17th…in other words, break the ruling of the court, which I’m assuming would be held as a criminal act.

On the other hand, it might mean they are certain they will overturn the ruling and spray without hindrance.

Mim

]]> By: donna kuhn http://www.veganreader.com/2008/05/25/a-deadly-policy-of-silence-lbam-spray-and-the-usa/#comment-697 donna kuhn Wed, 28 May 2008 17:09:19 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=130#comment-697 bpm, yes, there is a lot of confusion re. whether the santa cruz ruling applies to ground treatment or not. re. your timetables, this is from the lbamspray.com site. it appears to be saying it is possible that an eir report could be done by august: The Santa Cruz court ruling will only TEMPORARILY stop the Ground and Aerial treatments in Santa Cruz County until an EIR has been completed (3-9 month from now). On May 8, 2008, in Monterey County HOPE.org will challange the CDFA's LBAM eradication program on the exact same points as did Santa Cruz, and if the Monterey court rules like the SC Courts did on 4/24/08. The CDFA will be forced to complete an EIR before any ground or aerial spray can contine or start. there was also a news report that their testing of various products being tested in new zealand are now complete. they are trying to make sure they are not harmful now. do you think they might decide theyre not harmful and not use them on us? bpm,

yes, there is a lot of confusion re. whether the santa cruz ruling applies to ground treatment or not. re. your timetables, this is from the lbamspray.com site. it appears to be saying it is possible that an eir report could be done by august:

The Santa Cruz court ruling will only TEMPORARILY stop the Ground and Aerial treatments in Santa Cruz County until an EIR has been completed (3-9 month from now). On May 8, 2008, in Monterey County HOPE.org will challange the CDFA’s LBAM eradication program on the exact same points as did Santa Cruz, and if the Monterey court rules like the SC Courts did on 4/24/08. The CDFA will be forced to complete an EIR before any ground or aerial spray can contine or start.

there was also a news report that their testing of various products being tested in new zealand are now complete. they are trying to make sure they are not harmful now. do you think they might decide theyre not harmful and not use them on us?

]]> By: kevinkrejci http://www.veganreader.com/2008/05/25/a-deadly-policy-of-silence-lbam-spray-and-the-usa/#comment-688 kevinkrejci Tue, 27 May 2008 20:03:31 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=130#comment-688 As T.S Elliot once said in The Hallow Men, we will not go "with a bang but a wimper". Live now, pay later. I'm beginning to realize there are two kinds of people on this small planet - those who care about the world we are borrowing from our children and grand-children, and those that don't. I hope those that care will start making more noise and demand some answers, and then question those answers until satisfied. As T.S Elliot once said in The Hallow Men, we will not go “with a bang but a wimper”. Live now, pay later. I’m beginning to realize there are two kinds of people on this small planet - those who care about the world we are borrowing from our children and grand-children, and those that don’t. I hope those that care will start making more noise and demand some answers, and then question those answers until satisfied.

]]> By: bpm http://www.veganreader.com/2008/05/25/a-deadly-policy-of-silence-lbam-spray-and-the-usa/#comment-686 bpm Tue, 27 May 2008 04:12:04 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=130#comment-686 Mim, I've updated my stopthespray post. It does appear that the Court decisions were for aerial spray only but there is some disagreement as noted on my post that the Court decision, especially in Santa Cruz, also included stopping the ground treatment (see LBAMSPRAY further into my post). I'm currently in the process of seeking this clarification from knowledgeable individuals involved with LBAM. Here's my post: http://forum.stopthespray.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1335&p=1897#p1897 Mim,
I’ve updated my stopthespray post. It does appear that the Court decisions were for aerial spray only but there is some disagreement as noted on my post that the Court decision, especially in Santa Cruz, also included stopping the ground treatment (see LBAMSPRAY further into my post). I’m currently in the process of seeking this clarification from knowledgeable individuals involved with LBAM.
Here’s my post:
http://forum.stopthespray.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1335&p=1897#p1897

]]> By: admin http://www.veganreader.com/2008/05/25/a-deadly-policy-of-silence-lbam-spray-and-the-usa/#comment-683 admin Mon, 26 May 2008 19:57:45 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=130#comment-683 BPM - Can you help me get the gist of what you've posted? My understanding is that only the aerial spraying was halted until an EIR is performed in both Santa Cruz and Monterey. However, CDFA intends to appeal these and is boasting that they will be start spraying there in August. Do you concur with this or am I mistaken? I value your opinion, and I quite agree regarding Bill Moyers. He is among the last of the tradition of great investigative journalism. It makes me wish we could bring Woodward and Bernstein in on the spraying - you know, the reporters who broke Watergate in the 60s. Donna - This is what I don't understand. Why does it seem like writing letters is the most senators can do? Can't they demand a hearing, a tv news conference, an audience with the president? If we knew that a foreign country was going to drop poison California a couple of months from now, would the senators do more than write letters? While I really do appreciate what these politicians have done, it just isn't enough when so many lives are at stake. Thanks for stopping by, both of you! Mim BPM -
Can you help me get the gist of what you’ve posted? My understanding is that only the aerial spraying was halted until an EIR is performed in both Santa Cruz and Monterey. However, CDFA intends to appeal these and is boasting that they will be start spraying there in August. Do you concur with this or am I mistaken? I value your opinion, and I quite agree regarding Bill Moyers. He is among the last of the tradition of great investigative journalism.

It makes me wish we could bring Woodward and Bernstein in on the spraying - you know, the reporters who broke Watergate in the 60s.

Donna -
This is what I don’t understand. Why does it seem like writing letters is the most senators can do? Can’t they demand a hearing, a tv news conference, an audience with the president?

If we knew that a foreign country was going to drop poison California a couple of months from now, would the senators do more than write letters?

While I really do appreciate what these politicians have done, it just isn’t enough when so many lives are at stake.

Thanks for stopping by, both of you!
Mim

]]> By: donna kuhn http://www.veganreader.com/2008/05/25/a-deadly-policy-of-silence-lbam-spray-and-the-usa/#comment-682 donna kuhn Mon, 26 May 2008 16:28:31 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=130#comment-682 some of the politicians who have been met with silence have been strangely silent on the spray till recently, boxer, farr and feinstein. some of the politicians who have been met with silence have been strangely silent on the spray till recently, boxer, farr and feinstein.

]]> By: bpm http://www.veganreader.com/2008/05/25/a-deadly-policy-of-silence-lbam-spray-and-the-usa/#comment-681 bpm Mon, 26 May 2008 15:25:07 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=130#comment-681 LBAM Court Order Update: Santa Cruz and Monterey Court Orders rescind CDFA's 'Notice of Exemption' and LBAM Project is therefore subject to EIR (no spraying afterall). LBAM Court Order Update:
Santa Cruz and Monterey Court Orders rescind CDFA’s ‘Notice of Exemption’ and LBAM Project is therefore subject to EIR (no spraying afterall).

]]> By: bpm http://www.veganreader.com/2008/05/25/a-deadly-policy-of-silence-lbam-spray-and-the-usa/#comment-678 bpm Mon, 26 May 2008 07:37:15 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=130#comment-678 We have lost a part of our democracy since investigative news reporters are fewer due to the decline of newspaper subscriptions. One of the investigative news programs I routinely watch is Bill Moyers Journal (PBS). If you haven't seen Bill Moyers 'Buying The War' the program examines this evidence. More and more the media become common carriers of administration statements. Here's the website link to watch 'Buying The War': http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html We have lost a part of our democracy since investigative news reporters are fewer due to the decline of newspaper subscriptions. One of the investigative news programs I routinely watch is Bill Moyers Journal (PBS). If you haven’t seen Bill Moyers ‘Buying The War’ the program examines this evidence. More and more the media become common carriers of administration statements. Here’s the website link to watch ‘Buying The War’:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html

]]> By: bpm http://www.veganreader.com/2008/05/25/a-deadly-policy-of-silence-lbam-spray-and-the-usa/#comment-677 bpm Mon, 26 May 2008 06:25:41 +0000 http://www.veganreader.com/?p=130#comment-677 Congress is finally enacting their Constitutional duties! LBAM Update: The Monterey and Santa Cruz Counties Court Orders specify only LBAM aerial spraying will stop while CDFA does an Environmental Impact Report. It does appear that the LBAM Ground Treatment will be moving forward. See posted forum at Stop the Spray: http://forum.stopthespray.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1335&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a#p1897 Congress is finally enacting their Constitutional duties!

LBAM Update:
The Monterey and Santa Cruz Counties Court Orders specify only LBAM aerial spraying will stop while CDFA does an Environmental Impact Report. It does appear that the LBAM Ground Treatment will be moving forward.

See posted forum at Stop the Spray:

http://forum.stopthespray.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1335&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a#p1897

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