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	<title>Comments on: Google Map of CDFAs LBAM Assault On SF Bay Area Watershed and Wild Birds</title>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of weeks ago, I listened to a woman call into the Joanie Greggains’ show on KGO and she was eagerly explaining that the hundreds of families sickened on the Central Coast probably just had the flu. I had to ask myself why an average person would feel the need to call a radio show and insist that everything would be just fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of weeks ago, I listened to a woman call into the Joanie Greggains’ show on KGO and she was eagerly explaining that the hundreds of families sickened on the Central Coast probably just had the flu. I had to ask myself why an average person would feel the need to call a radio show and insist that everything would be just fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Solstice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solstice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 21:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at least Baykeeper, a division of Waterkeeper Alliance, seems to be very interested and says they are always working on the pesticide issue. so, there&#039;s that one, and we should thank them, and ask for more help with the lbam spray specifically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at least Baykeeper, a division of Waterkeeper Alliance, seems to be very interested and says they are always working on the pesticide issue. so, there&#8217;s that one, and we should thank them, and ask for more help with the lbam spray specifically.</p>
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		<title>By: donna kuhn</title>
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		<dc:creator>donna kuhn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 16:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mim,

if naive means hopeful and idealistic, or that people like ag and arnold (and worse) don&#039;t exist, couldn&#039;t possibly be that cold and cruel and uncaring and deceitful ......that nature is important, that nature is everything.....but you are also very strong and realistic as well because you are putting your thoughts into action everyday and educating and fighting.

unfortunately, it was cold and flu season when they sprayed which confused things as well. even though i am immune compromised, when i heard monterey was going to be sprayed adn we were to be next i had to play a little game with myself to feel it was going to be ok because the other option is moving. now i&#039;m prepared to move.

my family was fine with the spray healthwise and that includes an asthmatic daughter and a semi-allergic husband whereas i got sick for months. my daughter knows no one at her high school that got sick. so we are living on different planets. that gives me direct insight into people&#039;s attitudes towards the spray. they did not want to face me leaving.

we need more of people like u, mim. this fight can be depressing and disillusioning at times but we gather strength from somewhere and u pull it off with grace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mim,</p>
<p>if naive means hopeful and idealistic, or that people like ag and arnold (and worse) don&#8217;t exist, couldn&#8217;t possibly be that cold and cruel and uncaring and deceitful &#8230;&#8230;that nature is important, that nature is everything&#8230;..but you are also very strong and realistic as well because you are putting your thoughts into action everyday and educating and fighting.</p>
<p>unfortunately, it was cold and flu season when they sprayed which confused things as well. even though i am immune compromised, when i heard monterey was going to be sprayed adn we were to be next i had to play a little game with myself to feel it was going to be ok because the other option is moving. now i&#8217;m prepared to move.</p>
<p>my family was fine with the spray healthwise and that includes an asthmatic daughter and a semi-allergic husband whereas i got sick for months. my daughter knows no one at her high school that got sick. so we are living on different planets. that gives me direct insight into people&#8217;s attitudes towards the spray. they did not want to face me leaving.</p>
<p>we need more of people like u, mim. this fight can be depressing and disillusioning at times but we gather strength from somewhere and u pull it off with grace.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 22:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin -
Thank you so much for spreading the word at Bay to Breakers. That was so good of you to volunteer your time doing that.

Yes, we are up against both lack of public education and a disturbing kind of apathy. I fear that, &quot;it couldn&#039;t happen to me,&quot; is often a motive in a situation like this. People hear that folks got sick from the spray, but somehow believe that it won&#039;t happen to them or anyone they love. 

And then, I also think that the spraying is just too scary for some people to think about. They shut down their discernment and critical thought because they can&#039;t handle facing it. I know that I can hardly handle it myself, so I have empathy with this.

A couple of weeks ago, I listened to a woman call into the Joanie Greggains&#039; show on KGO and she was eagerly explaining that the hundreds of families sickened on the Central Coast probably just had the flu. I had to ask myself why an average person would feel the need to call a radio show and insist that everything would be just fine.

I came to the conclusion that the woman is likely so afraid that everything isn&#039;t fine, she is trying to convince others that it is in order to assuage her own fears. I&#039;ve seen people do this before.

It makes me feel very sad for them. No one wants to believe that a government, our government, would launch an attack on its own people. What a horrific thought!

But, if they force us to come to this conclusion about their activities, we have a choice to passively allow them to do this to us because it&#039;s too upsetting to contemplate...or we can do what you are doing, speaking to people, writing, trying to spread the word that something has gone so wrong with our government agencies that they have concluded they are authorized to poison us.

We want our country to be better than that, and the work we are doing, facing these fears, is in hopes that we can change what we see is so wrong.

Thank you so much, again, Kevin, for talking to people at Bay to Breakers. That was a very good idea. I am sure, even though you got some poor responses, that you got through to some of the people.

Mim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin -<br />
Thank you so much for spreading the word at Bay to Breakers. That was so good of you to volunteer your time doing that.</p>
<p>Yes, we are up against both lack of public education and a disturbing kind of apathy. I fear that, &#8220;it couldn&#8217;t happen to me,&#8221; is often a motive in a situation like this. People hear that folks got sick from the spray, but somehow believe that it won&#8217;t happen to them or anyone they love. </p>
<p>And then, I also think that the spraying is just too scary for some people to think about. They shut down their discernment and critical thought because they can&#8217;t handle facing it. I know that I can hardly handle it myself, so I have empathy with this.</p>
<p>A couple of weeks ago, I listened to a woman call into the Joanie Greggains&#8217; show on KGO and she was eagerly explaining that the hundreds of families sickened on the Central Coast probably just had the flu. I had to ask myself why an average person would feel the need to call a radio show and insist that everything would be just fine.</p>
<p>I came to the conclusion that the woman is likely so afraid that everything isn&#8217;t fine, she is trying to convince others that it is in order to assuage her own fears. I&#8217;ve seen people do this before.</p>
<p>It makes me feel very sad for them. No one wants to believe that a government, our government, would launch an attack on its own people. What a horrific thought!</p>
<p>But, if they force us to come to this conclusion about their activities, we have a choice to passively allow them to do this to us because it&#8217;s too upsetting to contemplate&#8230;or we can do what you are doing, speaking to people, writing, trying to spread the word that something has gone so wrong with our government agencies that they have concluded they are authorized to poison us.</p>
<p>We want our country to be better than that, and the work we are doing, facing these fears, is in hopes that we can change what we see is so wrong.</p>
<p>Thank you so much, again, Kevin, for talking to people at Bay to Breakers. That was a very good idea. I am sure, even though you got some poor responses, that you got through to some of the people.</p>
<p>Mim</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 22:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Donna -
I think you&#039;ve hit the nail on the head. Apathy is something that confuses me. I think the hallmark of a moral human is that, when they know something wrong is happening, they say it&#039;s wrong. I don&#039;t get the concept of not saying anything at all.

And, then, I start to have these dark fears that money is changing hands, and that this is why groups like Audubon, the Monterey Bay Aquarium, and the Point Reyes Bird Observatory (which is a huge and respected group here) are simply ignoring this. 

I have no idea if this is accurate. But I&#039;m trying so hard to understand why groups that state as their own mission conserving wildlife would then play dumb when wildlife is threatened. That just makes no sense to me, and leads me to start feeling like I am very naive and none of the groups are actually about valuing life at all. Is it all about money? 

Thank you for your kind words and support, Donna. I really value your input.
Mim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Donna -<br />
I think you&#8217;ve hit the nail on the head. Apathy is something that confuses me. I think the hallmark of a moral human is that, when they know something wrong is happening, they say it&#8217;s wrong. I don&#8217;t get the concept of not saying anything at all.</p>
<p>And, then, I start to have these dark fears that money is changing hands, and that this is why groups like Audubon, the Monterey Bay Aquarium, and the Point Reyes Bird Observatory (which is a huge and respected group here) are simply ignoring this. </p>
<p>I have no idea if this is accurate. But I&#8217;m trying so hard to understand why groups that state as their own mission conserving wildlife would then play dumb when wildlife is threatened. That just makes no sense to me, and leads me to start feeling like I am very naive and none of the groups are actually about valuing life at all. Is it all about money? </p>
<p>Thank you for your kind words and support, Donna. I really value your input.<br />
Mim</p>
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		<title>By: kevinkrejci</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevinkrejci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 18:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe how widespread the apathy is.  We were just at the Bay to Breakers trying to spread the word, and the most commons responses were &quot;I thought they stopped it already&quot; and &quot;I think it will be safe&quot;.  We ask for the evidence of safety, but have yet to hear anybody give an answer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe how widespread the apathy is.  We were just at the Bay to Breakers trying to spread the word, and the most commons responses were &#8220;I thought they stopped it already&#8221; and &#8220;I think it will be safe&#8221;.  We ask for the evidence of safety, but have yet to hear anybody give an answer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kevinkrejci</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevinkrejci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 18:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe how widespread the apathy is.  We were just at the Bay to Breakers trying to spread the word, and the most commons responses are &quot;I thought they stopped it already&quot; and &quot;I think it will be safe&quot;.  When asked for the evidence of safety, I have yet to hear anybody give an answer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe how widespread the apathy is.  We were just at the Bay to Breakers trying to spread the word, and the most commons responses are &#8220;I thought they stopped it already&#8221; and &#8220;I think it will be safe&#8221;.  When asked for the evidence of safety, I have yet to hear anybody give an answer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: donna kuhn</title>
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		<dc:creator>donna kuhn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 05:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m sorry they disappointed you so. it&#039;s been real interesing who supports the spray and who doesn&#039;t. i guess disappointing too. it must be mind-boggling to a compassionate person such as yourself to see the indifference towards such a disastrous plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m sorry they disappointed you so. it&#8217;s been real interesing who supports the spray and who doesn&#8217;t. i guess disappointing too. it must be mind-boggling to a compassionate person such as yourself to see the indifference towards such a disastrous plan.</p>
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