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		<title>By: hotchilipepper</title>
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		<description>Mike - Thank you for standing up and speaking.  It makes the rest of us stronger.

This comment prompted my response below:
 wrote:

&quot;Last night I watched the video of the sf animal welfare groups with dowell. I just went to utube and searched for dowell and lbam and there it was.  anyway...there was a guy talking about either white or yellow
viscous  stuff all over the place after the spray. I didn&#039;t know you were visibly slimed. Did you folks in the spray area see this stuff?&quot;
   MY COMMENT TO BEING VISIBLY SLIMED WERE:
Hi,
There were different reactions from the spray. It seemed to depend
on many things. We have different terrain, some flat areas with no
very many trees, to forested thick hilly areas, which may or may not
have something to do with how the crop planes sprayed us. It seems
those in the TREE area - got double whammy - because the dripping off
the tree to one&#039;s roof or yard could be heard onto the skylights or
rooftops. It was during our Indian Summer, NO FOG, sort of like the
weather we are having this week. Yes, in Monterey we do get nights of
Blue skies and heat waves - especially during August - September.

There was &quot;foaming&quot; when watering the next day. Sticky substances
on windshields. Many people saw reactions after the spray - from red
spots in their ponds, some saw a foam ball roll down their street -
from what looks like a &quot;bad spray&quot; gone wrong from the plane. Some
areas were accidently sprayed that were not on the list, and some on
the wrong day - so people were outside.

So - yes, as you call it, we were visibly slimed.
We were told it was only a safe pheromone and was not a
pesticide. But, we were told the airplanes would NOT go over the
football games, or waited until the game was over. We were told to
close all our windows, and stay indoors from 8pm to 5 am. This is a
bit hard, when we were in the middle of a heat wave and 90% of the
people and stores do not own air conditioning and usually just sleep
with the windows open.
We had kids running home from sports practice, mom&#039;s calling them
on their cell phones that the planes were starting earlier than they
thought. Tourists walking the bike path, unknowingly. Businesses that
stay open 24 hours at gas stations, hotels, and late night movies and
cafes.

The planes were small like crop planes, and seemed closer than 500
feet above our rooftops. It almost seemed like the planes would crash
into our roofs. We were not use to small airplanes above our houses.
They seemed to be going in straight lines, then turning around and
coming back, slightly over and aiming at one&#039;s house, moving slowly,
loud engines, red or blue slow blinking lights ... as slowly our house
was being completely covered in the spray, over again. Our front
yards, back gardens, places where our pets roam, where we take walks -
everything was drenched in this toxic pesticide cocktail - that sticks
to where it lands and sprays the toxin for 30 to 90 days continuously
in a FLUME TRAIL AIR of pesticide. Picture an invisible fog all
around you.

Many people for weeks did not know the synthentic pheromone was
this toxic cocktail of untested chemicals in the plastic capsule -
which seems just as toxic. People did not know their sore throats were
from the spray. We were still being told after the first spray, that
it was still safe. Yet, we had schools or parks washing down the
playground equipment, only later to find this was the worst thing to do.

Hosptials and physicans were not treating anyone for the spray. No
one at schools were keeping tract of illnesses. No one knew how to
help, since they didn&#039;t know the ingredients, had no antidote or notice
from their government on what to do.

The only hope - was that the people starting working together. The
label on the pesticide bottle said it was toxic, said to wash in
water. It also said NOT to be sprayed over water. (That still has not
seemed to be discussed.) There are bodies of water in Monterey County,
small ponds, lakes, small rivers, and I know that in Santa Cruz county
you have many larger rivers and many more lakes.
You will also note on utube - the surfers talking about the red
tide.
So - yes, we in the spray area saw the stuff. We also smelled the
pesticide. Weeks after the spray, you could be driving through certain
areas and that distinct smell would hit you and one&#039;s body would
immediately react. The tongue would swell, a metal taste, sudden
dryness in the mouth, throat, eyes and skin. Some would stay sicker
longer from this. Some would leave the area and feel better. People
that lived in Carmel Valley, but travel to work here in the day would
feel sick, until they went home - their &quot;flu&quot; would go away. (You see
some doctors were saying it was a new flu ... a flu doesn&#039;t disappear
each night!)

People called for help, before the first spray. We called for help
again, before the second spray. The people said, &quot;NO to SPRAY&quot;, but
USDA and CDFA refused to listen to us. They said over and over again
that it was a safe pheromone, they sent flyers, they met and bombarded
us with mistruths, over and over and hypotized our medical staff into
believing them.

Some parents were watching their children get sick or their pets.

Think - how terrible it is. It would be like watching your child
be dosed with raid spray, watching them get sick, and hearing and
knowing the same monster was going to dose your kid again, and you are
saying &quot;no more&quot;, but helplessly hearing that it was going to happen
again!

So, we not only saw the stuff, we smelled the stuff, and some waited
in terror as the second month came again. We had to dial the 800
number to find if we were next. Only to be told, it would be another
night ... waiting ... to get sprayed, with nothing we could do to stop
them. Some people left town, and it was delayed, and they came back
and got sprayed.

So, yeah - we saw the stuff. We threw up the stuff. We coughed up
the stuff. We smelled the stuff. We walked in the stuff. The stuff
continued to release slowly the pesticide from the plastic micro balls
for 30 to 90 days from wherever they landed.

Many people got skin irritations or infections. Some got hot
lungs, unable to breathe deeply or it would burn. A bit lethargic.
For some, these symptoms would go away if we left town or went to
the Pacific Ocean side of the water. For others, the symptoms stayed
with them and they had no relief.

Now we are learning there could be future problems with lung cancer,
thyroid, prostrate, and more from this untested pesticide that was
sprayed over large populations of people - in the USA.
hotchilipepper</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; Thank you for standing up and speaking.  It makes the rest of us stronger.</p>
<p>This comment prompted my response below:<br />
 wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Last night I watched the video of the sf animal welfare groups with dowell. I just went to utube and searched for dowell and lbam and there it was.  anyway&#8230;there was a guy talking about either white or yellow<br />
viscous  stuff all over the place after the spray. I didn&#8217;t know you were visibly slimed. Did you folks in the spray area see this stuff?&#8221;<br />
   MY COMMENT TO BEING VISIBLY SLIMED WERE:<br />
Hi,<br />
There were different reactions from the spray. It seemed to depend<br />
on many things. We have different terrain, some flat areas with no<br />
very many trees, to forested thick hilly areas, which may or may not<br />
have something to do with how the crop planes sprayed us. It seems<br />
those in the TREE area &#8211; got double whammy &#8211; because the dripping off<br />
the tree to one&#8217;s roof or yard could be heard onto the skylights or<br />
rooftops. It was during our Indian Summer, NO FOG, sort of like the<br />
weather we are having this week. Yes, in Monterey we do get nights of<br />
Blue skies and heat waves &#8211; especially during August &#8211; September.</p>
<p>There was &#8220;foaming&#8221; when watering the next day. Sticky substances<br />
on windshields. Many people saw reactions after the spray &#8211; from red<br />
spots in their ponds, some saw a foam ball roll down their street -<br />
from what looks like a &#8220;bad spray&#8221; gone wrong from the plane. Some<br />
areas were accidently sprayed that were not on the list, and some on<br />
the wrong day &#8211; so people were outside.</p>
<p>So &#8211; yes, as you call it, we were visibly slimed.<br />
We were told it was only a safe pheromone and was not a<br />
pesticide. But, we were told the airplanes would NOT go over the<br />
football games, or waited until the game was over. We were told to<br />
close all our windows, and stay indoors from 8pm to 5 am. This is a<br />
bit hard, when we were in the middle of a heat wave and 90% of the<br />
people and stores do not own air conditioning and usually just sleep<br />
with the windows open.<br />
We had kids running home from sports practice, mom&#8217;s calling them<br />
on their cell phones that the planes were starting earlier than they<br />
thought. Tourists walking the bike path, unknowingly. Businesses that<br />
stay open 24 hours at gas stations, hotels, and late night movies and<br />
cafes.</p>
<p>The planes were small like crop planes, and seemed closer than 500<br />
feet above our rooftops. It almost seemed like the planes would crash<br />
into our roofs. We were not use to small airplanes above our houses.<br />
They seemed to be going in straight lines, then turning around and<br />
coming back, slightly over and aiming at one&#8217;s house, moving slowly,<br />
loud engines, red or blue slow blinking lights &#8230; as slowly our house<br />
was being completely covered in the spray, over again. Our front<br />
yards, back gardens, places where our pets roam, where we take walks -<br />
everything was drenched in this toxic pesticide cocktail &#8211; that sticks<br />
to where it lands and sprays the toxin for 30 to 90 days continuously<br />
in a FLUME TRAIL AIR of pesticide. Picture an invisible fog all<br />
around you.</p>
<p>Many people for weeks did not know the synthentic pheromone was<br />
this toxic cocktail of untested chemicals in the plastic capsule -<br />
which seems just as toxic. People did not know their sore throats were<br />
from the spray. We were still being told after the first spray, that<br />
it was still safe. Yet, we had schools or parks washing down the<br />
playground equipment, only later to find this was the worst thing to do.</p>
<p>Hosptials and physicans were not treating anyone for the spray. No<br />
one at schools were keeping tract of illnesses. No one knew how to<br />
help, since they didn&#8217;t know the ingredients, had no antidote or notice<br />
from their government on what to do.</p>
<p>The only hope &#8211; was that the people starting working together. The<br />
label on the pesticide bottle said it was toxic, said to wash in<br />
water. It also said NOT to be sprayed over water. (That still has not<br />
seemed to be discussed.) There are bodies of water in Monterey County,<br />
small ponds, lakes, small rivers, and I know that in Santa Cruz county<br />
you have many larger rivers and many more lakes.<br />
You will also note on utube &#8211; the surfers talking about the red<br />
tide.<br />
So &#8211; yes, we in the spray area saw the stuff. We also smelled the<br />
pesticide. Weeks after the spray, you could be driving through certain<br />
areas and that distinct smell would hit you and one&#8217;s body would<br />
immediately react. The tongue would swell, a metal taste, sudden<br />
dryness in the mouth, throat, eyes and skin. Some would stay sicker<br />
longer from this. Some would leave the area and feel better. People<br />
that lived in Carmel Valley, but travel to work here in the day would<br />
feel sick, until they went home &#8211; their &#8220;flu&#8221; would go away. (You see<br />
some doctors were saying it was a new flu &#8230; a flu doesn&#8217;t disappear<br />
each night!)</p>
<p>People called for help, before the first spray. We called for help<br />
again, before the second spray. The people said, &#8220;NO to SPRAY&#8221;, but<br />
USDA and CDFA refused to listen to us. They said over and over again<br />
that it was a safe pheromone, they sent flyers, they met and bombarded<br />
us with mistruths, over and over and hypotized our medical staff into<br />
believing them.</p>
<p>Some parents were watching their children get sick or their pets.</p>
<p>Think &#8211; how terrible it is. It would be like watching your child<br />
be dosed with raid spray, watching them get sick, and hearing and<br />
knowing the same monster was going to dose your kid again, and you are<br />
saying &#8220;no more&#8221;, but helplessly hearing that it was going to happen<br />
again!</p>
<p>So, we not only saw the stuff, we smelled the stuff, and some waited<br />
in terror as the second month came again. We had to dial the 800<br />
number to find if we were next. Only to be told, it would be another<br />
night &#8230; waiting &#8230; to get sprayed, with nothing we could do to stop<br />
them. Some people left town, and it was delayed, and they came back<br />
and got sprayed.</p>
<p>So, yeah &#8211; we saw the stuff. We threw up the stuff. We coughed up<br />
the stuff. We smelled the stuff. We walked in the stuff. The stuff<br />
continued to release slowly the pesticide from the plastic micro balls<br />
for 30 to 90 days from wherever they landed.</p>
<p>Many people got skin irritations or infections. Some got hot<br />
lungs, unable to breathe deeply or it would burn. A bit lethargic.<br />
For some, these symptoms would go away if we left town or went to<br />
the Pacific Ocean side of the water. For others, the symptoms stayed<br />
with them and they had no relief.</p>
<p>Now we are learning there could be future problems with lung cancer,<br />
thyroid, prostrate, and more from this untested pesticide that was<br />
sprayed over large populations of people &#8211; in the USA.<br />
hotchilipepper</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I so agree, BPM.

Mike has truly acted with bravery and dogged determination in this, and all of us thank him.

Mim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I so agree, BPM.</p>
<p>Mike has truly acted with bravery and dogged determination in this, and all of us thank him.</p>
<p>Mim</p>
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		<title>By: bpm4327</title>
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		<dc:creator>bpm4327</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of us need to thank Mike for his tireless efforts to move an outdated government bureaucracy and its incompetent employees in the right moral, ethical, and legal direction.  It is a very sad commentary when public officials turn their backs on the very public they were hired to protect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of us need to thank Mike for his tireless efforts to move an outdated government bureaucracy and its incompetent employees in the right moral, ethical, and legal direction.  It is a very sad commentary when public officials turn their backs on the very public they were hired to protect.</p>
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